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I don´t think I would need a personal gun. But going to some gun range would be nice. I have seen a video on youtube about focus on target and shoot better, and I would like to test that out.
Personal I like to do some archery, but shooting guns from time to time would also be fun.
As I would prefer to test out some different ones, I think it would be better to lend them from the range instead of buy one.

Sure we can go together next year, I don´t have the time or money to do it this year anymore.
What kind of guns can I shoot outside of the City? Is it also possible to try out some Machinegun like MG3? I remember how difficult I was for me to change the barrel in the army with this thing…

yea I remember, pew pew pew

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Well there are only a couple of ranges that are licensed for use of full-auto firearms, especially in these calibres. I have never actually inquired about it, but I am sure with a little effort you may be able to shoot one.

Better have one and don’t need it than need one and not have it.

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@thedivineinfidel

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/robert-farago/when-seconds-count-the-uk-police-are-only-three-hours-away/

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this is quite an issue here . if you call up AFTER the crime has taken place , for say a break in or an attack which hasn’t actually hurt you physically then you will have to wait a long long time for the police to show up , police are massively understaffed so they have to prioritise .

if you ring up while the break in is taking place or very quickly after then they will come quickly as there is a chance of getting the crinimals .

As soon as you start going " i was robbed/attacked around an 30 minutes/hour ago " your going right to the bottom of the list and they will send a detective sometime later

as one of the comments also says

Bob R says:
December 1, 2015 at 13:45
Playing devil’s advocate here, maybe they mentioned to dispatch that the perps left the scene and therefore they made it a lower priority call. Maybe if they said the perps were still in the house they would have sent officers over right away.

people like this annoy me

Aldis says:
December 1, 2015 at 15:36
Im from England – yeah that sounds about right.
Also if you dare any kind of self defence – you will be arrested for attack…
In England its ILLEGAL to defend yourself!!!
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t defend yourself – just don’t report it to police afterwards…
God i need to move away from this terrible country.

you would think if you are worried about self defence you would actually research the law and find out its perfectly legal as long as its reasonable to the situation . the exact same as it is any most countries

proportionate/reasonable force .

the issue is people are not ever taught there rights when it comes to self defence and as a result think its illegal , the same with guns a large portion of the population think guns are completely illegal to own .

extract from our law regarding "reasonable force "

“If there has been an attack so that self defence is reasonably necessary, it will be recognised that a person defending himself cannot weigh to a nicety the exact measure of his defensive action. If the jury thought that that in a moment of unexpected anguish a person attacked had only done what he honestly and instinctively thought necessary, that would be the most potent evidence that only reasonable defensive action had been taken …”

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/#Reasonable_Force

The Law and Evidential Sufficiency
Self-defence is available as a defence to crimes committed by use of force.

The basic principles of self-defence are set out in (Palmer v R, [1971] AC 814); approved in R v McInnes, 55 Cr App R 551:

“It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary.”

The common law approach as expressed in Palmer v R is also relevant to the application of section 3 Criminal Law Act 1967:

“A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large.”

Section 3 applies to the prevention of crime and effecting, or assisting in, the lawful arrest of offenders and suspected offenders. There is an obvious overlap between self-defence and section 3. However, section 3 only applies to crime and not to civil matters. So, for instance, it cannot afford a defence in repelling trespassers by force, unless the trespassers are involved in some form of criminal conduct.

Reasonable Force
A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of:

self-defence; or
defence of another; or
defence of property; or
prevention of crime; or
lawful arrest.
In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions:

was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and
was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?
The courts have indicated that both questions are to answered on the basis of the facts as the accused honestly believed them to be (R v Williams (G) 78 Cr App R 276), (R. v Oatbridge, 94 Cr App R 367).

To that extent it is a subjective test. There is, however, an objective element to the test. The jury must then go on to ask themselves whether, on the basis of the facts as the accused believed them to be, a reasonable person would regard the force used as reasonable or excessive.

It is important to bear in mind when assessing whether the force used was reasonable the words of Lord Morris in (Palmer v R 1971 AC 814);

“If there has been an attack so that self defence is reasonably necessary, it will be recognised that a person defending himself cannot weigh to a nicety the exact measure of his defensive action. If the jury thought that that in a moment of unexpected anguish a person attacked had only done what he honestly and instinctively thought necessary, that would be the most potent evidence that only reasonable defensive action had been taken …”

The fact that an act was considered necessary does not mean that the resulting action was reasonable: (R v Clegg 1995 1 AC 482 HL). Where it is alleged that a person acted to defend himself/herself from violence, the extent to which the action taken was necessary will, of course, be integral to the reasonableness of the force used.

In (R v OGrady 85 Cr App R 315), it was held by the Court of Appeal that a defendant was not entitled to rely, so far as self-defence is concerned, upon a mistake of fact which had been induced by voluntary intoxication.

This is where having a gun comes handy even though you don’t want to use or confront anyone. “Please tell the incoming officers that the person announcing it is in red t-shirt and that he is armed, I would hate them to shoot me for mistaking me with a criminal.”

If the dispatcher delays their arrival and I shoot the crook, his career will take quite a different turn than what he thought before he got out of the bed in the morning.

That is still pretty stiff standard. Here you can use any defense that “is not manifestly disproportionate to the manner of attack” and it is still far from perfect in my eyes.

Castle doctrine is going to the parliament next week, I’d love to see it pass. Too bad that those proposing the bill are a bunch of populist idiots who didn’t properly lobby it with other MPs.

Meanwhile in Iraq: As the deliveries of Czech L-159s advanced light aircrafts are under way, UK started blocking them because they include a British radar. Even though they approved the sale of F 16s that have the same radar… but hey, F-16 are not primarily air-to-ground planes, unlike L-159s. Looks like someone in the British government doesn’t like the idea of Iraqi army being able to effectively fight ISIS.

http://zpravy.aktualne.cz/zahranici/britove-blokuji-prodej-l-159-do-iraku/r~b899c182982b11e5b745002590604f2e/

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You mean the mg-42 :smile:. Is there really even a difference between the two? It shows how good German tech was in world war 2 though, because they still use the same damn machine gun. :wink:

Of course that is because the U.K along with the U.S is funding ISIS to destabilize the region, there have been way to many coincidences with ISIS showing up with our weaponry. They aren’t just taking them from the Iraqis, they are using shit we never gave to Iraq.

And why does the Czech Republic answer to the U.K? Couldn’t you just give them the middle finger and send the planes anyway?

Is that like U.S stand your ground law or something? Also what do you think of stand your ground law, ive seen a lot of Europeans call criticise it for reasons i still don’t understand.

Well that will probably depend on analysis of what kind of military equipment we might need from UK in the future, and whether we can get it from other sources.

No, it is different.

We have what is basically stand your ground in the Czech Republic.

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I noticed my state has that law, good to know.

I can’t understand why anyone would be opposed to a law like that, its perfectly reasonable.

Why don’t you just make your own tech, sure it would cost more but wouldn’t it be more worth it overall?

The unit cost of specialized equipment is prohibitively high when the number of units is low.

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Yes, there is a differences. The bigges one it the caliber. MG42 shoot 7,92 × 57 mm, MG3 shoot 7,62 x 51 mm. And there are smaller changes on the gun, like a stronger spring, that makes gun shoots slower and a change in the muzzlebreak, as far as I know. We had some old MG42 in the army that were rebuild to MG3.
There were some XX stamps over the 42 and a 3 right next to it.

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Well, finding a gun range with a specific gun like MG3 may prove impossible.

But for example this one offers also shooting RPG. And Uk 59 full auto.

http://www.guncenter.cz/full-auto-zbrane/

EDIT: they rent semi-autos to anyone but full autos only to license holders.

what the actual fuck

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It is a training RPG, it does not shoot actual grenades but a rifle round instead.

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You can own one of these where i come from. :sunglasses:

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Here too but the paperwork is fucking insane.

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Ive always like the mg-42, wouldn’t mind owning one some day. But i bet they’re pretty damn expensive.

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I’d imagine you would need thousands of acres of land to boot. Like you said the paper work is obscene, but it doesn’t stop anti gunners from trying to go after things like this.