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@sirwarriant @TheDivineInfidel
About five minutes away from my flat, some apparently mad guy thought it would be a good idea to start shouting he’s gonna shoot everyone.
Fortunately he wasn’t armed. Fortunately the cops gave only warning shots when he refused to take hands out of the pockets.
I am really happy I wasn’t around and didn’t have to be dealing with the issue of whether the threat is real enough to unholster or not.
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why the need for warning shots ? do Czech police not carry tasers or another kind of non lethal weapon ?
also why the overreaction , shutting of roads and investigators ? its just a nut job , taser him and drag him to a cell to be mentally assessed
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why the need for warning shots ? do Czech police not carry tasers or another kind of non lethal weapon ?
[/quote]He was threatening to SHOOT people. Use of less than lethal force in situation of lethal danger only puts everybody at place in risk.
Also, not all cops have tazers, I would bet that the first responders didn’t have any.
And if they had them, I commend them for not going with tazers against someone claiming that he is armed and about to start shooting people.
Technically, warning shot is considered use of firearm and leads to the same kind of investigation as if a person was hit by the bullet fired.
Also, since the popos didn’t find any gun on him, they searched the whole street and a hotel lobby where the guy was saying his threats whether he hadn’t disposed of a gun somewhere before the cops cuffed him.
but hold on . he was not armed as you stated .
police get a call someone is shouting they are going to shoot people . armed police role up and find a man screaming with his hands in his pockets .
they draw weapons and scream at him to get down , he refuses . one of the multiple officers uses non-lethal force while the rest keep their primary weapons aimed on him . he is brought down .
no live rounds used , if he pulls a weapon lethal force is used end of
as it is here , if any officer pulls the trigger they are expected to write a detailed report on their decision to pull the trigger .
warning shots would get you likely sacked from the armed police role here for that situation . there was no need for them , your police should be armed with a variety of options to use in such situations .
if the man is clearly armed then its a different situation but he wasnt , just a nut job screaming in the street[quote=“snejdarek, post:10005, topic:21032”]
Use of less than lethal force in situation of lethal danger only puts everybody at place in risk.
[/quote] i agree had the situation been lethal . someone screaming in the street with their hands in their pockets is not a lethal situation
THE BRISTISH WAY of dealing with it would be:
unarmed cops come, close street about 150m from the person whom they consider armed. Sit on their hands and wait. If lucky, the dangerous person is let to do what he wishes for 10 minutes like in case of Lee Rigby. I.e. he is left for 10 minutes to fulfill his threats (or not - it is entirely to him), only then
Due to the way British police work there is multitude of them, some probably with non-lethal guns like a tazer, so they can [quote=“TheDivineInfidel, post:10006, topic:21032”]
draw weapons and scream at him to get down , he refuses . one of the multiple officers uses non-lethal force while the rest keep their primary weapons aimed on him . he is brought down
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MEANWHILE IN THE CZECH REPUBLIC
First police car is there within 2 minutes (that is real response time in Prague, it would be more elsewhere), the 2 officers IMMEDIATELY engage the perpetrator, order him to take his hands out of the pocket, he fails, warning shots, he complies, they asses him as probable lunatic and being happy with him having hands out of pocket with no gun, wait for reinforcement to tackle him.
Since the first moment the very first police shows up perpetrator is engaged by police. The only way he can do as he wishes is over first responders’ dead bodies. It is their first duty not let him to get over their bodies no matter what.
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Looks like Dan Vávra had a busy weekend.
no the british response would be the man is tasered and dragged off and the road is closed for about 5 minutes .
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Due to the way British police work there is multitude of them, some probably with non-lethal guns like a tazer, so they can
[/quote] well here every patrol now carries a taser (at least in the cities )
your police should be the same .
all of that would be done here except my road wouldnt be shut for hours while an expensive investigation is set up and detectives scour the street for hours over some nut job simply shouting .
such as here . nut job dealt with innocent people continue to enjoy their day.
the british police are trained to act calm and collectively and to assess the situation . someone screaming threats compared to someone armed and screaming threats is dealt with completely differently .
Tazer as a response to a call that someone is threatening to shoot people up in a hotel lobby?
Be my guest, Brits.
https://youtu.be/be78uvNtAkY
Here every patrol has bullet proof vests and an SMG in the trunk (apart from the guns on the hip). That in city with both lower homicide as well as violent crime rate, and with much lower terror threat. Maybe your police could take notice.[quote=“TheDivineInfidel, post:10010, topic:21032”]
all of that would be done here except my road wouldnt be shut for hours while an expensive investigation is set up and detectives scour the street for hours over some nut job simply shouting
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If this is the way shooting threats in public are dealt with in UK, no wonder that the Rotherham gang could have been raping girls for 16 years despite their mothers’ desperate appeals to police to do something about it.
Nothing to see, move on. As long as the traffic flows, right mate?
So, in UK, if someone shouts threats, you consider him unarmed unless it is proven otherwise?
Because here he is considered armed and able to deliver on them unless it is proven otherwise.
I prefer our way of dealing with possible threats.
10 minutes in Lee Rigby killing. And it seems the police were quite positive about the suspects having ‘only’ knives.
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did you read what i wrote in the first response ?
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So, in UK, if someone shouts threats, you consider him unarmed unless it is proven otherwise?
[/quote] if someone is shouting threats to mass shoot . armed police will be asked to respond .
armed police will turn up within a few minutes , location depending .
they will get out and right away engage the suspected gunmen with assault rifles .
they will assess the situation within a few seconds that he is simply shouting with his hands in his pockets . one officer will keep his rifle trained on him while the other deployes a non-lethal weapon this may be a baton gun or a taser . he will continue to scream at him to get down if he refuses they will attempt to bring him down with non-lethal force if it fails and he draws a weapon the other officer will use lethal force to bring him down .
they will consider him armed at all times until proven otherwise but in the present he has not even pulled a weapon out there is no need to use live rounds until he escalates the situation
You are ommitting an important part:
Meanwhile the first responders close off the ends of the street and sit on their hands, no matter what is happening inside the street, waiting for those “armed police” to come and do the magic mojo you describe.
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