yes they would block traffic and the public from entering the danger zone thus minimizing the danger to the public . once the man is arrested the road would be re-opened , job done onto the next job.
if the gunmen attempted to advance towards the public the unarmed police would be expected to put themselves between the gunmen and the public .
if the call comes in that he is potentially armed the armed police would respond right away and regular police would simply support them or not attend at all .
Really? REALLY? The British police rules for dealing with active shooter in situation when the armed policemen have not yet reached the premises is RUN AT HIM AND DIE?
Because the French unarmed police that were sent to deal with active shooter situation in Charlie Hebdo (first 3 officers to reach the offices) certainly were quite fast to leave the scene once they heard gunshots. And I don’t blame them.
The practical experience with Lee Rigby murder doesn’t support your thesis. It happened exactly as I described - i.e. unarmed police closing off ends of street and leaving murderers to run free within the closed zone. Had they wanted to kill another 5 people, they would have done so, and the police would have been just waiting for “the armed police”. 10 minutes from the first call.
firstly if a gunmen was active armed police would be everywhere so this situation wouldnt happen but if it did they would be expected to act professionally and do what they feel is best .
its not exactly a question anyone could answer .
no they wouldnt of done .
firstly they did not have the means to go on a killing spree , they had mainly knives and an old revolver .
secondly i would suspect police had tasers to use if needed but were likely told to hold off and not escalate the situation further until the needed assets were in place .
thirdly both men were detained with gunshot wounds to the legs and will serve the rest of their days in prison dreaming of the after life which the armed police stole from them by not killing them .
fourthly the number of armed police now is double what is was then and is expected to double again in terms of active patrols . also the police here now all carry tasers and are instructed to advance to such situation which they were not then .
personally i would like all police to carry side arms along side the taser , but in the situation of a charlie hebdo or mass paris attack a side arm is useless anyway unless you were shit lucky and caught them off guard . which is unlikely rolling up in a police car
They need to get there first. And by a rule of thumb, the armed police in London will reach the place later than the unarmed police, who are left to sit on their hands.
Please read up on this:
Army veteran has HEAD CHOPPED OFF.
Police are told NOT TO ESCALATE situation.
If this is some kind of British humour, I am not laughing.
Only after having been left to roam streets with knife in one hand and head in another while “unarmed police” were waiting for “armed police” to turn up.
Meanwhile there are 6.278 armed police officers, about 30-35.000 law abiding civilians with CC license, in Prague, population 1.2M.
Sorry to tell you mate, but after Paris, with these numbers it almost seems like you are asking for such an attack.
No, it is not, as you can see from this case in Slovakia.
Armed policemen take all the time and attention of active shooter, despite being severally undergunned against professional sport shooter with assault rifle, limiting his possibility to harmprecluding him from harming more civilians.
BTW one of the heroic officers continued shooting at the attacker after sustaning severe headshot (jaw).
Besides that is not a point in the Czech Republic now that all or close to all patrol cars should be with vests and at least one SMG (HK MP5/HK MP7/HK G36/Scorpion EVO 3/).
the men were walking around talking to people . why escalate it until you have the ability to end it without risking more lives ?
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Only after having been left to roam streets with knife in one hand and head in another while “unarmed police” were waiting for “armed police” to turn up.
[/quote] was anyone else injured ?
[quote=“snejdarek, post:10018, topic:21032”]
Good for you!
Meanwhile there are 6.278 armed police officers, about law abiding 30-35.000 civilians with CC license, in Prague, population 1.2M.
Sorry to tell you mate, but after Paris, with these numbers it almost seems like you are asking for such an attack.
[/quote] yes and 10,000 troops on stand by to react .
[quote=“snejdarek, post:10018, topic:21032”]
No, it is not.
[/quote] yes it is , if you think you have a chance with a pistol front on with two men in bullet proof vest with automatic weapons , you’re an idiot end of .
looks more of a comedy sketch if the bloke in the car had a gun he would of used it while the police were all to busy smashing his car than actually keeping weapons drawn on the suspect
Cops wanted to arrest the guy at a parking lot. They know he was armed.
He saw them coming and left through grass.
They were chasing him, he decided to drive on pathwalk. Some people jumped out of his way, however, he hit one babystroller, then crashed into pole/car.
Car is disabled, armed guy sits inside locked behind security glass.
Had he not hit the pole he would have been shot after hitting the baby stroller.
They lost it a bit, however, it seems they did exactly what you suggested:
As far as I understand he was angry he couldn’t shoot the guy for hitting the baby pram because the guy crashed and refused to use his gun thus giving reason to shoot back.
From the tactical point of view it is the same reason why SWAT shout and use bang grenades while entering any premises: keep the fucker desoriented.
That is quite a problem when the car has security windows and the suspect inside is armed - while not giving reason to be shot at.
i completely understand the reason for smashing the windows our police do it too but not jumping on the windscreen like an idiot , they smash the driver and passenger windows in with batons while another drags them out
they were lucky he didnt give them a reason to shoot they were to busy jumping on his windscreen to notice if he did , could of easily pulled a gun and shot at least one before they returned fire
i did not a single officer in any position to deal with him throught the entire event . all just piling on one another .
the only one even close is standing behind another officer at 9 seconds in and is in no position to hit the driver for a few seconds which would be too late for the guy on the windscreen for example
until about 3 seconds in it was going good then they just got stupid .
Hey, I agree, as I said, it was a good plan gone wrong. They wanted to arrest an armed suspect at parking lot. Fucker used pathwalk to drive away, hitting a baby pram. They lost it and acted more like a bunch of chimps. But still, there were efforts to do something right:
0:01 - sidewindow smasher, two guns aimed at suspect (is it possible the suspect had hands up at this moment but had too much shit in his pants to put hand down and unlock doors?)
0:02 - sidewindow smasher, one gun decides to jump up, other gun is probably useless because sidewindowsmasher obstructs view
0:05 - finally the other guys are aiming at him
I think that the following happened:
The guys in civilian clothes are probably detectives. They knew perp is armed so they called in SWAT.
SWAT was supposed to arrest the guy on the parking lot, the detectives were supposed to wait outside the parking lot.
Guy manages to drive away, detectives are due to their position first to pursue.
Guy crashes into pole. Detectives are first to get to him.
Detectives try to tactically tactize the shit out of the car while SWAT is attempting to get properly into action in the tight conditions.
A video comes up which shows that there is much left to be desired.
Wow, I’m gone three days and i have 85 posts to sift through. Now i know how @Daniel_Boon feels.
I had a stroll through Cabalas the other day, i was looking at their archery shit, and they’re charging 60 fucking dollars for 4 fucking arrows.
I also had a chat with the people selling the pistols. Most of them were gone, they had apparently sold a bunch after Obama’s executive orders, the guy at the counter said every time Obama opens his mouth their gun’s and ammo sales increase ten fold.
Wasn’t able to go to the range either sadly, ever since the San Bernardino shooting, the place has been fucking packed.
Here the CC license exam dates are full until the end of April - and that despite there being 3 times more of them open than last year. In a year or two there will be significantly more CCers in the Czech Republic.
