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#10134

you will see what you choose to see . But the reality is that Putin has no desire to invade the former soviet states . He certainly wants to keep that politically friendly bubble around Russia yes .

So yes I’m sure he bank roles a lot of pro-Russian conversvertive groups but so does every other major nation in order to expand their influence .

But bank rolling a group and out right invading are very fucking different things .

He is never going to invade a fully fledged NATO member .

what makes my piss boil the most though is the media’s anti russian crap about how the west and russia hate eachother .

then you come across a very in depth documentary like this which takes you through all the events in relations between putin and the west with interviews from US diplomats and russian ones .

likely the most balanced documentary in existence but it is 4 hours long . and having watched it from start to finish i realise the bullshit we are sold in the media . while you sit there worrying about a russian invasion and what NATO would do , russian and american diplomats are getting on like pigs in shit like relations are great .
id advise watching this start to finish over a few days/weeks .

very educating and eye opening . it certainly does show though how much of a grip he has on power there from some very dodgy methods not exactly democratic thats for sure




part 3 id recommend for @snejdarek as it goes in depth about georgia and you get a good view of the entire situation surrounding it both in the public eye and behind the scenes

#10135

Russian Army in Moldova - check
Russian Army in Georgia - check
Russian Army in Ukraine - check
Estonian intelligence officer kidnapped from within Estonian territory - check.

Daily mail also shite?

#10136

just watch the documentary i posted they go through the lot apart from ukraine as it was filmed before that .
although russia’s response was pretty over the fucking top Georgia certainly did not help themselves after being warned by both russia and the US to wind their neck in and just talk .

daily mail is fine .

daily star or the sun are not considered serious papers here more just for shits a giggles , they have some brilliant puns time to time though :slight_smile:

#10137

I’ll do so once I have time (in about two weeks).

Meanwhile, the article on London is pretty damn interesting.

A Met policeman, who was
born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’

This is actually the exactly same feeling I had of Brussels. I’ve spent in London only 16 hours once on a business trip so I couldn’t observe much, but I was in Brussels for a week and this describes it pretty well.

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#10138

Pussies my hair fell out years ago you just keep smoking that shit to build up your tolerance, then you don’t give a fuck what else happens.

#10139

Everyone of my family members who used it heavily, ended up mentally ill, or with shit memories.

#10140

If a war is started there it will be China who starts it, the other nations have land China feels belongs them (even though they have no legitimate claim). Not to mention China feels war with the U.S is inevitable, because as long as we’re there they can’t control the region.

There is also the issue of Taiwan which China considers a rouge state, and has actually been training to take. You claim everyone has an anti Russia, anti China bias, yet when ever we have these conversations you constantly say that China and Russia would never start war, and that the west would start one.

I firmly believe China will start a war there in the next 20-50 years, and so does everyone else in the region, hence the massive military build up of those nations.

#10141

What power vacuum? It’s not like the U.S would have to pull its troops out of Europe to engage the Chinese.

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#10142

What I mean is China won’t fire the first shot . They may well start it in their actions but I think they will continue to land grab without firing a shot and it will be a smaller nation that decides enough is enough and sinks a ship or downs one of their jets .

#10143

I still highly doubt this. Those surrounding nations are scared of China, and they know that if they struck first they might not get the support of the U.S or other nations. Besides China’s main goal would be to force us out of the region, so they would probably unleash a massive barrage of missiles in the hopes of destroying or damaging the fleet enough to get us to go away.

They’ve already been testing their missiles on satellites (which are a vital part of our carriers defences) and this kind of attack is the one the U.S fears the most.

#10144

Czechs are among the top weed users in the world but I am yet to hear about someone addicted to weed. Half my class at high school were smoking weed or hashish and none of them turned up being “addicted”.

I’ve heard of brother of my friend finding his 0.5kg stash and smoking whole day until he was found in coma, but never of addiction issues.

Even if you could pull it off on two fronts, the price paid in blood in China would make it highly unlikely to do the same in Europe.

The fact that taking/publishing pics like this became verboten during Iraq is quite indicative.

#10145

The addiction rate for it is 9%, for a comparison the addiction rate for alcohol is 12%. So the idea that it’s not addictive is a myth.

#10146

I’d say we’re more than capable of pulling off two fronts, a war with China would be mostly naval, and island warfare. A war in Europe would be the complete polar opposite. There would be little reason for us to divert troops from Europe to Asia, or vice versa. The Asian front would actually require less troops, so our tanks, and and most of our ground forces would head to Europe.

As for blood, yes that would have an effect. But i think public support for a war defending our allies would be much higher than Iraq, which was not supported by the vast majority of the population

#10147

NATO could easily fight two fronts . The days of sending in a million men are over . If the war took place each side would send what they needed .

No one is sending a million men over a few islands . Be like 20,000 marines and airborne and the rest would be naval and air power .

So just a guess for a China situation .

20,000 ground troops
100 ish ships
300-400 planes

Leaving plenty for defending NATO’s other commitments .

Europe would likely be a lot more as it would require more men clearly . But even then I’d only say a combined force of 200,000 and Russia likely the same .

If it escalated more than that you’re well on your way to nuclear war which no one is wants so no one would be out to crush the other side .Simply get the job done and return to the status quo

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#10148

Yes, but it is psychological, not physical like with other substances. I.e. overcoming the “addiction” is on entirely different level.[quote=“SirWarriant, post:10146, topic:21032”]
I’d say we’re more than capable of pulling off two fronts, a war with China would be mostly naval, and island warfare.
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What strategical goal would that accomplish?

#10149

What strategical goal would Russia achieve from invading Europe ?

They invaded Crimea because their entire global projection is dependent on that naval base without it Russia is fucked same with the ports in Syria which is why they are there .

But what the fuck would invading the Czech Republic do for Russia ? Or Poland ? Or Latvia ? Or Estonia ? Or anyone of them nations . Got nothing going for them.

Putin’s biggest land grab is the artic which no one in the west seems interested in considering how much untouched oil is there and Russia is staking its claim on large amounts you would think they would be .

But hey stories about Russia invading Europe sell more news papers …

#10150

what sort of court order is fucking this hahaha :slight_smile:

http://news.sky.com/story/1628405/top-qc-slams-very-odd-sex-notification-order

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that comment tickled me :slight_smile:

#10151

Everything for the ruling class which has only one thing going for it to stay in power - nationalistic pride. Because all else is going down the drain in Russia right now - and that in pace that nobody likes to talk about loud (the firm I worked for had a major office in Russia).

Also, I didn’t mention Czech Republic nor Poland. I was specifically commenting on former soviet borders and countries with large Russian population.

You are still repeating the mistake of thinking of the Putin’s clique as politicians/statemen while they are gangsters in politicians’ seats - making them that more dangerous.

#10152

I’ll have to look into this, but my point was that weed certainly is addictive.

If we were to defeat China, it would secure our allies safety, and further increase our power and reputation as as the global super power. Not to mention our allies would control the South China sea which is extremely rich in resources, which is why China is stealing land from its neighbours.

China needs these islands if they are to expand their power,which they cannon to do with us in the region.

Russia has no reason to invade Europe other than reuniting the Soviet union which doesn’t seem like a goal of theirs to me.

#10153

Yes, but you would not defeat China from sea, and definitely not with a couple of thousand marines. You could contain it for a time, but not defeat it.

The goal is to stay in power and this might very well be the best card they can play to achieve it. Unless they overplay it.

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