Britain is an island surrounded by water, and yet you can still get VZ.58s there, as you just pointed out. An attack like the one could happen in Britain, granted the loss of life would most likely be 10 times smaller due to how fast the police response would be.
Make one.
We’re talking about organized gangs here, not just some random hood rat.
Then don’t buy it online, the only component that would be hard to obtain im guessing would be the gun powder, but as i said earlier if they had multiple people buy from many different stores they could get enough to make plenty of ammunition.
Really? So there are no rape victims, no assault victims, no murder victims, who could have been saved from CC in Britain?
No I’m pretty sure you have strict gun laws because a group of 300 men who all probably have armed security decided to enact them.
you can if you have £8k plus and find a willing seller . frances gangs are very lenient towards north africa and are so more inclined to sell to a terrorist . our organised crime is not so getting bob to sell you an assault rifle to commit mass murder is a tad harder . not impossible but harder our biggest asset has always been our intelligence services getting all this kit you say is so easy to do and a rifle without raising their attention is near fucking impossible .
an organised mafia would get hold of weapons no problem if they have the money . but such organised crime doesnt really exist here any more . did in my area back in the day
when these two blokes owned east london.
this film was based on them (kray twins ) the film was based on events told by their old gang members and people who knew them
again this is not america these are not parts you can buy on the high street .
of course there is i personally would have no problem with CC here . i myself would likely get the license . i wouldnt use it day to day as i feel no need to carry a weapon . but id get it for the sake of it .
but the majority of the UK population dont support it hence why its not allowed here .
we have strict gun laws because our population support such laws as you have observed yourself online .
Do you really think a person selling illegal assault rifles and body armor is going to care what they’re being used for? Even if they did they’re not going to be asking the buyer.
So you can’t buy lead, and brass in Britain? Okay.
Your population seems to accept what ever the government throws at you. They decided without your consent to pass those strict laws. Granted you seemed to accept them, but you didn’t hardly make that decision as a nation.
The level of nudity in French or Czech movies is different.
In American movies sex is usually suggested. You barely see ass, only in some movies plain view of breasts. What we consider nudity would be bordering on pornographic scene in most American cinema.
I have to give you that it is changing a lot in past 5-7 years. For example the series Spartacus brought quite a new level - even plain view of penis. But as many penises as they shown, none of them was erect - which was mocked even in South Park.
yes i do .
if your selling a rifle to someone the last thing you want is that person shooting 130 people . why ? because it would likely play on your mind and it would bring more heat your way than you could even comprehend .
bad business
you can yes but in large numbers and it melt into shape …
the tools to do it are much harder to get than in the US .
and thinking of it no i dont know of a single shop that sells lead and brass , if i wanted such things id get it online .
yes we did because that was the attitude of the country for the government to sort it out .
Vz.58 was standard issue assault rifle used by all of the military. The “special forces” version probably refers to the one with collapsible stock. This one was however not only for special forces (and Czechoslovakia was the only Comblock country with special forces apart from USSR) but also for multitude of soldiers with other primary role than fighting, e.g. truck drivers. Then there were vz.61 for those in cramped spaces - pilots and tank crews.
More importantly, they were exported en masse. I don’t think there are too many in circulation that come directly from Czechoslovak arsenal - we were never large on actually losing army guns like Ukraine or Poland (meanwhile other Comblock countries used Kalaschnikovs). Those on black market most probably come from places like Libya (which was re-exporting them to Western European terrorist groups even before the fall of communism, not to mention that CIA has now exported Libyan arsenal to Al Qaeda affiliates in Syria).
Yup.
You can’t really do that anywhere in EU. You can do that in Balkans. I.e. you need to smuggle it across one (EU) border.
Hello from World Capital of Meth - the Czech Republic 
Not right. There is external border with both the Balkans as well as Ukraine. But hell, today there are underground smuggling tunnels from Ukraine as well as use of ex-army helicopters for smuggling. Had these two spots not been there, then just look at the mess in Northern Africa. Getting guns across Mediterranean would be no problem - just that for now those coming from Balkans are cheaper so it doesn’t pay off - yet.[quote=“TheDivineInfidel, post:10699, topic:21032”]
you can if you have £8k plus
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Just for comparison - a new semi-auto version here costs LEGALLY about € 1.000. A new full auto costs LEGALLY here about €200 (milsurp). I have no idea what black market cost here because there is no incentive for anyone but very limited number of criminals to obtain an illegal one. Which will change in a huge way if the EU Gun Ban will go through.
In a way yes. Most would care not to be caught. Chances are that a gun used for a random bad guy on bad guy hit will never be sourced to seller. If you sell to terrorists the cops will know exact composition of your feces, not to mention details of transaction. That is why you need black market sellers that are sympathetic to your cause. Or black market sellers that are from the same societal group. That is why no Muslim terrorist nor Breivik would be able to get black market guns in a country like the Czech Republic. And Breivik tried really hard in Prague.
Speaking of reloading ammunition, I started reloading my own ammunition at a fairly early age, using the most simple, basic reloading kit, exactly like this one:
All you need besides this $20.00 kit is a plastic-faced mallet, bullets powder and primers. The empty cartridge case is “neck-sized” by tappint the case into the die using a plastic-faced hammer. The old primers are knocked out with an included punch, and a new primer is tapped into place. The powder is measured by quantity–the yellow scoop that comes with the kit is the correct size for one type of powder, and you simply use a full scoop for each round. The bullet is seated by tapping it into place using the punch included and the plastic-faced hammer. I used this kit for making 308 Winchester (7.62 NATO) rounds and never had a single one fail to fire. They also worked great in my bolt gun, but ‘neck-sizing only’ works well in most semi-autos, but not so well in others. In the 308, the required powder was DuPont IMR-3031, but other scoops metered for other powders are available for a pittance. I love my bolt guns because, as Colonel Townsend Whelen once said “Only accurate guns are Interesting” anyway!
With this kit, a pound of IMR-3031 powder will make around 233 finished rounds of 308 ammo. One pound of powder is about the same size as, say, a Gideon’s Bible–a bit smaller actually. A brick of 1000 large rifle primers is actually smaller than a typical clay building brick. and each box of 100 bullets is only slightly larger than a pack of cigarettes. These would not be too hard to smuggle.
Here in the U.S., the idea that anything would need to be smuggled, at least for a very long time, would be complicated considerably by people (like me!) that already have a lot of guns (50+), a lot of ammo (~10,000 rounds), and a lot of the makings for more ammo (anybody’s guess!), already stashed away. This hardware would “disappear” like smoke if the day ever came where a door-to-door confiscation began, and the death toll from such an operation would be horrendous.
As far as the conversation about Alaskans goes, I have lived in Alaska. (I am originally [and proudly]a North Georgia mountain hillbilly!) I think anyone, special forces or not, might be surprised at what could happen with plain old ‘civilians’ in Alaska. They all have guns, they all use them on a very regular basis, and all I ever met were superior woodsmen. I would have to ask anyone this: When was the last time you shot a small deer in the head from 150-200 yards while standing on the deck of a boat that was bobbing around in the waves? I saw it happen with monotonous regularity in Alaska. What about the kind of arms one would face in Alaska? What happens when all “cover” is turned into nothing but “concealment” by powerful weapons? A combination of very powerful weapons and superb marksmanship would be rather unnerving to any man, special forces or not. When someone is hiding behind a 20" diameter oak (or spruce) tree, and a bullet rips right through the tree and the man on the other side, it tends to get attention. (Anything from 338 Win Mag on up with the right bullets will do it, and a 460 Weatherby, which I have, will shoot clean through a north-bound elephant from the south side. There is no cover from a 460 Weatherby with tungsten-core brass solids like those made by Speer.
Never underestimate the effect of guerrilla warfare against an invader by hard people like those liviong in Alaska, or my native Appalachians either. Think Afganistan on steroids…
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BTW, when talking about vz.58s… this one caught my eye at the IWA international firearms fare.
Well, not only eye, it felt GREAT in hand! All it needs for perfection is a red dot sight.
Also, the stock is surprisingly firm.
I think I will still go the way of standard version to learn the basics of rifle handling, but this lovely thing will be a strong contender once the time to buy CZ Scorpion EVO 3 comes.
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nope . eastern europe . as a result of the Yugoslav Wars and the Kosovo War .
i dont think for a second they come directly from czech republic . but as im sure your aware places such as Bulgaria , Albania are full of organised crime and due to the wars i mentioned have access to alot of kit used during the wars .
they actually if i recall traced the weapons used in paris back to eastern europe as well .
as for the special forces thing i didnt take much notice of that . minor error from the journalist
being able to shoot well does not make you an effective soldier . the taliban are shit shots but extremely good in combat , extremely organised and know how to command an effective force .
you could have a team of the best hunters in the world that can hit a deer from a moving car going off road at 500 yards it doesnt mean they are good soldiers and doesnt mean they will win .
special forces and advanced recon units are designed to hit hard and fast at no point does a special forces unit remain static .
a deer does not fire back , deers do not suppress and manoeuvre . deers does not call in air support . guerilla warfare would be very effective against the main force behind but not very effective against the advanced elements that hit hard and disappear .
firefights are won through manoeuvring and suppressing not who is the best shot .
being able to throw a spear does not make you a Spartan
In EU. Not large on illegal guns.
Outside EU. Ex-yugoslavia. Balkans.
Balkans is South-Eastern Europe.
Some of Charlie Hebdo were improperly deactivated from Slovakia. This has been a known issue since 2008 yet EU has done nothing about it. Slovakia changed their laws on deactivation two months after Charlie Hebdo.
Otherwise all guns were ex-Yugoslavia. Either Serbia or Albania or somewhere in between.
All you need is couple hundred determined snipers who will be taking down officers in free time and keeping their business as usual during working days. On top of that sometimes blow some shit up, sometimes shoot up a lonely patrol. You will run out of officers pretty fast in such situation.
Special forces my shit if they don’t know what their target is. Then there is the option of letting yourself lose all your officers or making the shit hit the fan for the local population. Which in turn leads to large scale uprising.
My shit few thousand special forces, few hundred thousand soldiers keeping several tens of million people at bay.
For example in Czechoslovakia, Nazis needed 10.000 soldiers to suppress 200 partisans in a relatively small area. And I don’t mean actually catching/shooting them up, just maintaining order without losing several soldiers a day.
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indeed outside but very easy to smuggle into the EU once in they have free passage all the way to france .
I recently read the book “Marine Sniper” which is the story of Carlos Hathcock one of the greatest U.S snipers, with over 103 confirmed kills during the Vietnam war. Anyway him and another sniper ambushed a company over 150 NVA soldiers, and killed over two thirds of them. They kept them pinned in a dried up creek, because every time the NVA attempted to run the two marine snipers picked off so many they retreated to the creek bed.
They were unable to locate Hathcock and his fellow sniper, and every time they tried to attack them or run a dozen or more died. They together killed roughly 80 NVA soldiers before pulling out and calling in artillery on the valley.
That is what two men were able to accomplish with nothing more than rifles and concealment. Granted they were trained professionals, but hunters have been dropping targets at extreme ranges their whole lives could cause a ton of damage to an invading force. You being a sniper yourself seem to really under estimate the damage they can cause.
Disappear where? Into the terrain the locals know like the back of their hand? If you think these Russian Special Forces could do all you said without losing a considerable number of their men, well, I guess we must just agree to disagree. They are not bullet proof. Have you ever heard of a man by the name of Alvin C. York? Can you imagine 4000 just like him?
Taliban marksmanship = spray and pray. That’s not very effective when you are getting your pumpkins burst from 500 yards away with alarming regularity. Most of mainland Alaska is terrain where there is little place to hide–open tundra where 50-100 or more men would stick out like a sore thumb. It has little to do with jungle terrain. Caught out in the open (which most of Alaska is) with most typical battle rifles, against a group with powerful, accurate, scope-sighted rifles who also use them at the highest level of proficiency would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Well first off, you said that having nudity and sex in American movies is out of the question which is flat out wrong. Second off i could name dozens of movies with tons of sex scenes and nudity in them. I watched the wolf of wall street recently, and there were hardly any scenes without nudity or sex in them.
Violence is no more prevalent in movies now a days then sex or nudity. But really this has nothing to do with your original statement.