you dont have to justify your nations surrender to me . you decided your freedom was not worth fighting for , the odds were too much , surrender was easier .
“If this long island story of ours is to end at last, let it end only when each one of us lies, choking in his own blood upon the ground."-Winston Churchill
think about Churchill’s words . he would rather die than ever surrender our freedom and identity .
i would never defend the munich agreement but that agreement only worked because your country was willing to comply .
and what you dont mention here is your presidents persistent begging of Hitler.
offering everything from dissolving the communist party , getting rid of all jewish teachers from ethnic german schools.
it was down to your weak president Emil Hacha . who after being threatened with a bombing raid gave free passage to german troops who then seized Bohemia and Moravia , again your military offered no resistance .
its always easier to blame someone else though of course .
Political statement is a bit different to being in that situation though (surprise…).
But yes, someone here still believe it was a mistake and think that we rather should fight and be terminated for glory and to help allies who betrayed us. We had a good army, but our position wasn’t comparable to UK at all.
Edvard Beneš was our president at that time, not Emil Hácha (who was president in the time of the occupation).
It’s not blaming others for Hitler’s invasion, it’s for the backstab.
Seriously, first you claim that the war could have been won without USA and then this…
your country complied to the agreement . i dont support the agreement nor do i defend it , but you complied . you put down your weapons and allowed it .
irrelevant of the odds of you winning or any other excuse you have have for giving up without a fight .
as for you claiming i was wrong on the president , im talking about a series of events in which Emil Hacha was president for
During the night of 14-15 Mar 1939, he was in Berlin meeting with Adolf Hitler and Hermann Göring, where he was threatened with military action if he did not surrender Czechoslovakia to Germany. Hácha begged for respite, but the only response Hitler gave him was that German troops were already deployed at the German-Czech border and were ready to invade at his order, and Göring added that the air force would be able to bombard Prague by dawn. Hácha had no choice but to give in to the German demands; he felt it was the only way to avert bloodshed. He signed the document which allowed Germany to annex Czechoslovakia
Yes, my bad. I failed to realise you talk about those events. Thats why I’ve erase my post at first (editing is somehow laggy on my smartphone) and wanted to re-write it.
I don’t think that it is shame to lay down weapons in the situation like this. At least for those who value human life.
As for the agreement - it is the same as above.
so you would rather give up your freedom than fight for it ? fair enough thats your choice , but dont blame others when your freedom is taken .
your government agreed to the munich pact , thats the fact of it . my country played a huge part yes . but the final decision is ultimately on your government . does it say no and prepare to fight ? or does it agree and concede ?
the UK , France and Italy had no legal or sovereign right or power over Czechoslovakia we cant give away your nation , we can twist your arm yes but only you can say yes or no . you should rest your blame on your weak leaders .
Because with the Mexican helicopter incident, you simply shrugged it off, and told me not to worry about it. “Accidents like this happen amongst friends”. Instead of using the same (flawed logic) with the air strike, you acted like a typical anti American Euro.
Oh please, you were not hardly trolling when you made that statement you were legitimately pissed off don’t even try to deny it.
Thank you for proving my point and contradicting yourself. As you said yourself you were deeply offended by what @TheDivineInfidel said about your nation.
Which is unacceptable, but I’m curious as to why you would want these dangerous U.S troops anywhere near your country. I guess you’re just okay with them being meat shields for you.
The U.S poured untold billions into Europe for over 60 years before Afghanistan, and had millions of troops ready to die to prevent the Soviets from taking Western Europe. We were not obligated to keep troops in Europe after the war, we could have gone home and disbanded our military which is how our country is supposed to operate.
The only reason we had an issue with the Soviets was because of Europe. Had we stayed isolationist, the cold war as we know it would have happened.
And it was a stupid decision, but it’s one you clearly support along with all your other Euros, who are content to bash America until they need something from us.
The only nation full in NATO is the U.S, you’re nation along with many others aren’t even spending 2% of their GDP on military, because they are content to let others do the fighting for them when their “Russian invasion” happens.
There is no NATO without the U.S sorry to burst your bubble. We are 70% of its funding, along with the vast majority of its military power. You clearly want U.S troops in Eastern Europe based on your posts, which i really find odd considering how dangerous you think they are.
I know Europe thinks the U.S owes them for sending small amounts of support to Iraq and Afghanistan, (most European nations U.K aside sent very few men) but the reality is we don’t owe you jack fucking shit. I hope we get out of the money vacuum that is NATO.
Here is something for you, since you seem to think that European countries like Poland sent millions of men to die in the middle east.
The U.S, and U.K by far had more boots and equipment on the ground and lost more men. Poland a country you keep saying the U.S owes blood to, lost 80 men, the way you talk about it you would think they lost billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of troops.
Its the same for Iraq, U.S and U.K sent by far the most men, and the other members of NATO sent a handful. So i repeat if you wanna call us square for the 70 years of the U.S supporting NATO and Europe, fine call it square.
Well I’m glad you get what I’m trying to say. Every time ive brought up the U.S leaving NATO @snejdarek takes it like a slap in the face. To make it clear i would never propose abandoning Europe to a Russian invasion, but i don’t think we need heavy armour and troops on the border for something that is probably never going to happen.
Decision was indeed ours and it always been take as such. The “twisting arms” however also means something for people here. It is definitely not a friendly gesture and rightfully considered as a support of Hitler.
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I don’t think that it is shame to lay down weapons in the situation like this. At least for those who value human life.
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he appeased Hitler to avoid bloodshed as did the czech government .
I see your point but I don’t think it’s the same. Czechoslovakia alone didn’t stand a chance - unlike United Kingdom with France.
Not mention that Czechoslovakia was were deciding their own future but UK and France sacrificed an ally for nothing (war was inevitable) and indirectly allows Ribbentrop-Molotov pact (if we assume that Soviets will fulfill their promise to help Czechoslovakia if the France help as well).
there were many in the UK and around the world who believed after france fell we would fall within weeks
“> When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone whatever they did, their generals told their Prime Minister and his divided Cabinet, ‘In three weeks England will have her neck wrung like a chicken.’ Some chicken! Some neck!” — Winston Churchill, Ottawa, Dec. 30, 1941
at the time war was not perceived as inevitable . it important to remember that did not know what we know now . but dont mistake me im by no means defending the agreement it was an outrageous one and one that lead to a far greater war .
Well saying we should not have fought is a moot point.
Given the information that the Government had at the time, it is understandable that they reached a decision to lay down the weapons.
But today, we have more information. We know that as a direct consequence of German occupation some 360.000 citizens perished (80.000 of them “simply” for being Jewish).
Given that knowledge, it is a sacrilege to say that the decision was right.
Otherwise, @sirwarriant, @thedivineinfidel it seems we are taking a 5th round in what was already said. This cave is not amusing any more.
Well on a brighter note i went shooting today, and shot the CZ, i shot like ass though because it has been months since i last shot, and i got overly excited, and was jerking the trigger.
I shot really well with the Ar but that is hardly a surprise since it has a holo sight on it, which does a lot of the work for you.
i was supporting your argument
