I also love how people think this is evidence of “Rampant Racism in America”, and not just some trolls having a hay day with an AI on twitter. It’s the fucking internet what do they expect?
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You probably have already answered this before, but what is the legal age to CC there?
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very tough watching .
amount of people slagging off the pilots makes me sick though
“I don’t know what I am looking at. Let’s kill it.” Very American.
With the clear amount of disdain you have for Americans , it is utterly biazzare why you would want hundreds of thousands of u.s troops in eastern europe, to defend you from what you perceive as an imminent Russian invasion. Oh yeah that’s right most european countries are too chicken shit to defend themselves., and are more than happy to let foreign troops defend their land.
Since Americans are too dangerous I hope you will start to protest your countries membership in NATO, and alliance with the u.s.
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I feel for the pilot just as much as the men on the ground I couldn’t imagine how he felt after realising it was a friendly unit it will haunt him for the rest of his life .
I’m not sure what happened after but I’d like to think he was able to meet the unit and get some closure through that
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What, you can’t take a little criticism without crying out loud?
FYI, I never said I want them here. I even explicitly said I don’t want any in the Czech Republic. What I said though is that Poland requesting American presence in their country makes sense both as regards the American-Polish relations as well as rising Russian threat.
And what I mainly said is that US needs to be all in or all out. Not halfway like they are now.
He very clearly knew that the vehicle has British markings on it. He also knew that he cannot entirely trust information he gets given that such is a nature of information gathering and sharing during warfare.
Yet he decided to take the car down. I wonder, doing a low flyby to make sure what the target is - would that put him into too much danger?
I understand this is a bit different issue, but with guns one of the main rules is know your target and be sure what is behind it. I suppose the same should apply to use of aircraft canons. He had reasonable doubt as regards the nature of the target, he should have aborted.
i dont disagree with you in the context that the pilot is at blame . he made a list of mistakes that ultimately cost one man his life and 5 more injured and the lose of 2 armoured reconnaissance vehicles .
the british courts ruled the death as unlawful and in fact criminal but of course the US government refused to allow the pilots to go before British courts .
but that does not mean i dont feel for the guy he will live with that mistake for the rest of his life . a simple mistake as getting your position wrong on a map has huge consequences as seen .
i refuse to bad mouth the pilot in a nasty and spiteful fashion.
i certainly have my criticisms of the US military in this aspect as an organisation , it happens far to often . 3 days before this incident a british tornado was shot down by a US patriot missile . its a issue of training .
Nooooooooooooooooooo 
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getting the upper hand then losing seems to be a habit of you Germans 
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In what way was your statement criticism? It was nothing but you suggesting that Americans are trigger happy maniacs who shoot the shit out of anything.
No, you just want them in the countries bordering Russia to act as meat shields for you in case the Russians ever did decide to invade. Then at the same time, you bad mouth the U.S troops who you want to defend your freedom, hell you even got nasty at me for simply suggesting that Europe should solve its own problems.
The U.S is 70% of NATOs military and financial power, and we already have hundreds of thousands of troops in Europe. It’s completely laughable for you to suggest we are “only half way in”. Without the U.S, there is no NATO.
What’s even more laughable is when i cited a story where a Mexican military helicopter flew over U.S soil and shot border patrol agents, you said.
“Accidents like this happen amongst friends”.
So please, i would love some consistency from you.
I’m not here to make excuses for the pilot at all, he was irresponsible and it costed someone’s life. But you like most people took it as an opportunity, to jump on the “Americans are murderers cowboys” band wagon, instead of recognizing that this was one pilot. So that’s why i find it odd, that you who clearly thinks based on your statement that all Americans are like this pilot, would want hundreds of thousands of U.S troops in close proximity to your country.
Statements like yours simply confirm my beliefs that we have no place helping allies who think so lowly of us. I will definitely be voting for the candidate who wants us out of NATO and i will be encouraging others to do the same.
religion …
I couldn’t care less if they’re doing it to themselves.
Since they’re Asian it reminded me of this.
Troops stationed in positions set up to defend against Warsaw Pact countries invasion… 25 years after Warsaw Pact’s dissolution.
You were suggesting something along the line that Obama should bomb Mexico for that, or that you should severe your diplomatic ties or some shit like that.
I never disputed that the pilot was dumbass, but I refused to go along your line of Mexican invasion of Texas and FEMA death camps.
So yes, I am consistent, you just have some deep fucking problems with functional literacy.
Fine. That is perfectly fine with me. As long as it is clear that you are all out. Because last time I checked, the only country that invoked Article 5 of NATO Treaty was USA. And what it got was overwhelmingly supportive response from all of its allies.
All I am hearing from you in response is that US should not do the same for its allies in case they get into Article 5 SHTF. It should be cleared out and there are only two ways in which to do it. Both have the same modus operandi - moving the troops away from the Cold War Frontline. Be it to US or to Poland and Estonia, both is fine with me. As long as it is clear where US stands on this.
Irrelevant, they’re still there to defend the sovereignty of NATO countries, and would be one of the main forces fighting against your Russian invasion, the point I’m trying to make is the U.S would most certainly shed the most blood in a conflict with Russia, and you know it. This is due to Europeans seemingly not giving a shit about their armies.
I never suggested any of this, i said our idiot president did nothing, not even condemn what Mexico did. And you said that i should shrug it off because accidents like this are common amongst friends, yet your approach to this video is completely different. So no you have not been consistent at all.
I highly doubt that, but okay. I’m pretty sure you all know that if god forbid Russia decided to have a go at Europe, you would be completely and utterly fucked without the U.S. I had no issue with you calling out the pilots carelessness, but you decided to say that it was common for Americans to blow the shit out of anything without thinking twice, going with the stereotype that we are all idiotic murderous cowboys, so again why would you want people like that in close proximity to your country?
I’m pretty sure you would react the same way i had said that about Czechs, considering how pissed you get when @TheDivineInfidel said that your nation has a habit of surrendering in the face of danger. You even went as far to suggest that ethnic Britain’s being bred out by Muslims, was a good thing. What you said about Americans was far more insulting.
And the U.S has helped and supported NATO, and Europe plenty throughout the years, we’re more than even. If you cannot grasp why Americans have reservations about having troops protecting dozens of different countries, especially ones that despise them, then i see no point to continue this conversation any further.
How exactly is my approach different, please?
I hate to destroy your universe but it almost seems like you forgot where you are. Somehow it seems that @thedivineinfidel got the memo on that. Maybe it is cultural differences that we can’t get along where the serious debate turns into poking.
I just can’t take it from a national of a country which was actively supporting Hitler’s invasion of Czechoslovakia.
In my country, Germans spent 6 years and then commies 45 years trying to rewrite the history. So we are a bit more sensitive when it comes to spitting bullshit about things past.
I am sorry but anywhere I look it seems that US friendly fire happens on a rate that is unprecedented as regards other NATO countries.
On 27 February 2004 three British vehicles overtook a Czech convoy north of Safwan, close to the Kuwait border. That brought them directly behind an American convoy, lumbering along at 30mph, prompting a US
soldier to threaten them with his .50 calibre machine gun.
An intelligence report written by the British but passed to the
Americans emphasised: “There was sufficient daylight for the US convoy
to clearly see the British military number plates on the vehicles.” It
went on: “The British convoy attempted to get close to and pass the US
convoy a total of three times and was threatened in the same way each
time.”
Five months later, on 20 July, a US convoy opened fire on British
vehicles trying to overtake in the same area. British vehicles were also
shot at by American convoy escorts again in November and December and
by a Bulgarian convoy the same month.
By February 2005 the British seemed to have become resigned to being
shot at by their allies as an occupational hazard. A report from that
month of a three-vehicle British convoy being strafed by an American
gunner concludes “both convoys continued on their journey without
stopping”.
Oh please do tell me when exactly did US enter a hot war on behalf of other NATO country’s plea for help the way other NATO countries did after 9/11.
And do not bring up the cold war, US were playing their own games with selfish goals in Europe as much as protecting the Western European countries.
First of all, of all the places, it was Washington where it was being decided that NATO should move Eastwards.
Was it a good idea to include Poland? We may have different opinions about that but the fact is that Poland now has one of the strongest armies in Europe, far more capable than Germany.
Was it a good idea to include the Czech Republic? We may have different opinions about it but the fact is that the Czech Republic has been a manufacturing stronghold for over 200 years now, but more crucially for American interests, we do have, among many other things, the technology that makes out any and all stealth airplanes and we are not currently selling to anyone outside NATO.
Was it a good idea to include the Baltics? We may have different opinions about that but they sure are, alongside Poles, the most determined members to defend NATO’s eastern border.
So here we are. As I said, be full in or full out.
invasion ? you countrymen accepted the deal . you gave up your freedom because you was told too , you had one of the strongest military forces yet put no official resistance up you accepted it through your actions .
all from your own doing .
“If this long island story of ours is to end at last, let it end only when each one of us lies, choking in his own blood upon the ground."-Winston Churchill
you think he would have surrendered to Hitler if france and the US told him too ? no chance
Czechoslovakia fought Nazi paramilitary units invasion for seven days with over 100 KIA and over 2000 MIA (German KIA losses were in several hundreds, probably more than 500). Only after it became clear that Poland and Hungary will invade together with Germans alongside the entire borderline did the government decide that there is no viable military option to the situation.
As said before, Poland and Hungary would have never openly joined German invasion had it not been for British and French backing of the Nazi policy.