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What exact rule I have broken?!
Explain yourself, if you please.

This is an “off-topic” thread on a forum dedicated to a realistic, medieval game. I’ve seen some similar topics on this forum, just as “Are you paranoid of knife attacks” or “Do you like compound bows”, so I was interested to exchange knowledge and experience on a similar topic. I’ve said nothing wrong in my post, why the hassle?

If you personally are of those narrow-minded types who consider weapon discussion to be a tabboo, sorry to hear it… it is neither a bad thing nor it is illegal.

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Its just a joke man. Pretty much every thread about weapons get closed. But dont worry your thread may be the exception :wink:

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I don’t agree people react differently to pressure. Most gunmen aren’t battle hardened veterans under fire either so i would say a civilian who often trains with their side arm could take out an attacker. Theres been many mass shootings stopped by a person with a concealed carry who shot their attacker while under pressure.

Right but most attackers would be much closer than 132 meters. Thats extreme range for a pistol. That video was simply a demonstration showing that people can shoot that far with a pistol.

Theres plenty of videos of people hitting running animals feel free to look them up. When people grow up hunting and shooting they get to be pretty damn good shoots by the time they’re old enough to conceal carry.

By the way the most ive ever hunted is a rabbit but i can tell you it gives you an adrenaline rush and can make you shot poorly. So imagine hunting a big game animal that could charge and kill you if you missed. Im sure it would be stressful and you would be pretty pumped yet hunters still manage to hit their targets.

Im so disappointed Cannibalism is not going to be in the game. Im boycotting warhorse now thanks to you @TobiTobsen :smile:

Relax man. If I was trying to hassle you I would have posted on your thread, not one that’s been hidden.

I was making a joke at the guys in this thread because every time the topic is brought up it gets shut down.

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how did you get in here :stuck_out_tongue:

WE HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED.

STAND TOO !!!

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The two indiviuals we are discussing were trained by AQAP in yemen they knew how to shoot . Al-Qaeda fighters are very very good , classes above the taliban and you know for sure when you’re facing Al-Qaeda . they can shoot straight and they stand their ground .

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Theres plenty of videos of people hitting running animals feel free to look them up. When people grow up hunting and shooting they get to be pretty damn good shoots by the time they’re old enough to conceal carry.

By the way the most ive ever hunted is a rabbit but i can tell you it gives you an adrenaline rush and can make you shot poorly. So imagine hunting a big game animal that could charge and kill you if you missed. Im sure it would be stressful and you would be pretty pumped yet hunters still manage to hit their targets.
[/quote] you’re spltting hairs here to salvage some sort of argument .
so i will ad my final peice and end it before we go any more into " well this one time at band camp jimmy hit a moving deer at 300 yards with a glock "

in the situation present in the video i would advise not engaging the two gunmen for the following reasons .
to have any chance of being effective , your first round would have to hit its target after that one of two things will happen .

you will then follow up with a burst of shots that empty your weapon in under 3 seconds , in that short amount of time we can safely say that apart from your first round your following ones will be all over the place and most likely hit fuck all , during this time you would of had to expose yourself out of the window .
they would of returned fire and possibly hit you but certainly suppressed you in which time they will move on .

from the footage we see , the people at the window/roof have limited vision of the street and can only clearly see half of the road and the pavement on which the officer was shot , which is why i believe they’re on a roof with a wall going around the parameter .
however they may be crouching in a window .
now the time frame of the two gunmen being in shot and still is very small the rest they’re running in between cars and trees . making you frame for a clear first shot very small and no real time to take a calm aimed shot . therefore the action of attempting to kill them with a pistol is out of the question simply wouldnt happen unless your first round struck them in the head .

what i would personally do if i was armed with a pistol is gather as many people as possible into a single room , lock all the doors and keep away from the windows and block the door as well and use my weapon to guard the people in the room .
i would love to be the hero that runs out and stops it all but in the real world taking on two men who have automatic rifles which are extremely powerful and short-medium range with a pistol is simply stupid and hollywood .

so its a lovely idea but one thats simply out of the question .
Another reason is ., the training i received in room to room clearing when civilians are involved was that we are to engage ALL armed individuals . as their is simply not enough time to pick out the terrorist and the civilians therefore the respectable guess is taken that if they’re armed they are the bad guy and engage them therefore running around shooting or shooting from a building in such situation will likely cause confusion and you to be mistaken for a terrorist

@snejdarek , @SirWarriant you wtwo talking about stopping gunmen hahaha :stuck_out_tongue:

Man have you guys seen the alpha 4.0 wish list?

Lol people seriously don’t get what an alpha is.

Lol is it black knights thread? I doubt half of his ideas will even be in the full game.

I don’t wanna link to it. It’s called ideas alpha 4.0

It’s not a hard core wishlist but the poster has seem in general misguided about the alpha process let alone the project In general.

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I didn’t want to go there again, that is why I haven’t responded to the previous couple of comments, but now I can’t be quiet.

Firstly, you would not be armed. You live in a country where people simply don’t have the right for effective self defense. You couldn’t do shit. Not being able to do shit is the defining element of being British in such a situation.

Secondly, all your rationalization shows that the first point is very much connected also with the attitude. It is an alien thing for you to think about effective self defense in any kind of scenario. It is ingrained in your flesh that you should say “pardon me sir, but why are putting the knife to my throat”, then shut up, and if survive, call the cops, and “carry on”. And that is so pressed into your psyche that it still prevails even though you claim you were trained for, and served in, Afghanistan.

There are people that come from a different background. People who believe that the good ones must act in order to stop evil. People whose first thought when they see someone being killed isn’t to get a phone (be it to call for cops - who will by definition not be there in time, or to film the murder, as in the picture above), but whose first thought is “what can I do to help the poor guy”. Some of them have the possibility to reach for their gun.

That is not to say that they would go as far as commiting a suicide. Being on street level and pulling Kahr CM9 would be a clear suicide. Being in a flat above the level of street behind locked secure door, having CZ 75, 2-3 full mags and other few hundred rounds on hand makes engagement the only decent thing one can do.

Rationalize the situation all you want. Call me internet troll. I don’t care. I just hope that in case I or someone I love happens to be in a shitty situation, there will be people like me around, and none that are like you.

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Yeah i really dont see trying to save somones life as heroic i just see it as a thing any decent human being would do.

i have clearly touched a nerve with that photo :stuck_out_tongue: was only a bit of banter no need to throw your toys out of the pram .

@SirWarriant , @snejdarek
you’re not saving anyones life in fact you’re doing the opposite , you’re endangering the lives of every single person inside that building . you two have this view because you’re not mature in your decision making in these situations so you make these claims you would do this and that but what you’re missing is the bigger picture that by attempting to save the officers life , which you would not have done either way as they would of shot him before you had a chance to react you’re risking countless other so to break it down

you’re risking 10 lives to possibly save 1 .
if you have a chance to end it with a low risk of harm to any other members then any person would do so . you’re more use locking you and anyone around you in a room and defending the room .

there is a huge jump between shooting targets on a weekend and taking down a gunmen that fires back .

you can rest assured if i was in such a decision i would do everything possible to get as many out alive as possible but in a sensible calm manor NOT by playing john wayne out of the window .

stick to the shooting range and enjoy your guns for sport .

that being said if you had a SBR then by all means take them out . but with a pistol ? get real

i would defend myself in any situation which requires it and i have the right to do so under the law of my country .
as i have said before i feel sorry for you that you feel the need to be constantly armed with some kind of weapon to feel safe . to me it speaks volumes of you as a person and your out look on life .
i hope none of you or anyone else is ever in such a situation .

you miss the point , its not the saving of someone’s life its your method in doing so . by spraying rounds at two individuals which have no effect , who life have you saved ? the officer is dead . you now have two heavily armed men wanting to kill you storming into the building coming for you and killing everyone in their path . who’s fault is it ? YOURS for making a stupid decision because you have allowed emotions to cloud any mature decision . save who you can save the ones who you cannot well im afraid thats life

Damnit @McWonderBeast why did you have to end the fun so soon :wink: I had them going Dushin pretty much typed an essay lol.

Lol. Because I could plus I added to if.

I’m that asshole who yells in coming! When sneaking up on people in battlefield.

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So what do you all think of Anonymous?

thier recent Kanye west video has me watching all their older ones again too, was curious what the members of this thread think.

Honestly, I wouldn’t know who Kanye is, if not for Southpark.