Forget gun crime their are bigger issues 
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Exactly. And the fact that ANYONE with clean record/sane mind can get one legally after showing a little effort (gun exam) has profound effect on the black market. There is very limited demand for illegal guns, and that leads to very small black market.
Breivik spent a week in the Czech Republic trying to buy illegal guns, because BBC said on TV guns are easy to get in Prague. I guess that by now everyone can see that the extent of black market in Belgium/France is on a totally different level, meanwhile law-abiding citizens there are pretty much fucked, as we could see in Charlie Hebdo case, whose editor-in-chief was a sport shooter, owned guns legally, but whose CC permit application was denied (despite being on Al Qaeda blacklist and getting multitude of death threats every day).
I would not advocate for the US system (I consider the Czech one work very well), but if I were to choose between, say France/UK and US gun rights, it would be US all the way.
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the issue with guns being easy to get hold of in places like france is once you have a gun on mainland europe because of the EU its very easy to take them from country to country .
so for example they could smuggle weapons into spain from Morocco or libya accross to italy , once they are on the mainland they can go as far as they like within the EU and cause damage . but the UK is lucky in the sense that they cant do that here . we still have a border . so the black market here is also very small in gain access to an actual gun that works well and has ammunition .
the police here have said they believe there are only a very low number of guns on our streets however these are being "rented " out to commit crime then circled back into the black market
I HAVE US A NEW CONVERSATION !!!
The prospect of an EU army . what are your lots thoughts on this , im out right opposed to it
Truth to be told I don’t know what to think about it.
Until the people living in the core/safe periphery of the EU understand that the outer border of EU is the border of their personal safety, it cannot work. Until they understand that sacrificing Estonia would have the very same consequences as did sacrifying Czechoslovakia in 1938, the common army doesn’t make sense.
There are quite a few politicians in the Czech Republic who are talking about introducing Swiss militia system in the country - with full army kit at home and regular training. Now even the president (he has only decorative role, like in Germany) has become vocal in the way that we should have volunteer militias (i.e. not the full scale obligatory Swiss type).
Our current army is anyway quite well equipped and trained for foreign missions, but unable to defend the country. We have the best anti-biological warfare/nuclear fallout unit in whole NATO, and a few other specialized top tier units. So in a way, we are ready to play our part in the protection of Europe on its outer border, we just need to start working on being able to defend ourselves also on our own soil.
Yes but lets say that 7th theater allowed concealed carry. Thats possibly 4-5 people out of 75 armed. These people would have most likely trained with their weapons unlike the shooter James holmes. I would say they have a pretty good chance of putting that son of a bitch in the ground before he killed a bunch of people.
So that right there proves a shooter can get a hold of a fire arm in your country as long as hes dedicated to the task.
They really aren’t as easy as you might think. Most murders are done by gang bangers who use stolen or illegal weapons. Its about as difficult as getting a car is you cannot just walk in and grab a rifle throw the guy a 100 dollar bill and walk out.
Hmm sounds like New world order stuff to me but i don’t live in Europe so i could really care less. But if there was a North American army being proposed i would be very opposed to it.
I have a solution to deal with the Russia China threat. Let Japan build up their military again and let Germany build up their military again.
for me their are so many issues with it , one that has cropped up is well . would this EU army be prepared to defend British over seas territories ? the likely answer is no .
it is however an army that could challenge and even beat the US army which is why the US is not liking the idea @SirWarriant not sure if this has been covered at all in the US .
but more importantly this would be a huge step in going from a union too a full scale united states of europe which i just couldnt bare the thought of .
its unlikely to happen down to the fact that the two strongest European armed forces (UK and france ) oppose it massively .
its given me even more reason to vote for UKIP and to get the UK far out of the EU .
depends on the people hat are carrying .
yes , the last mass shooting we had here was carried out using legally obtained weapons . however we have had 2 mass shootings in the last 20 odd years .
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Its about as difficult as getting a car is you cannot just walk in and grab a rifle throw the guy a 100 dollar bill and walk out.
[/quote] thats still pretty easy to get hold of
Out as Switzerland and Norway or out all the way?
all the way out , a fair trade deal with the EU of course, the EU doesnt benefit us as a nation . all we are doing is subsidizing poorer countries .
what i would personally like to see the UK do is a establish an economic zone within the commonwealth as it contains some of the fastest growing economies on earth ,
This is the first ive ever heard of it but i don’t like the sound of it.
Pistols most likely. It was in a packed movie theater so 4 people armed with pistols could take down the threat.
But you still have murders there don’t you. Im much safer where i live than in London and guns are available to civilians here. The town i live near has around 90,000 people living in it and guns aren’t banned. Theres on average 1 murder a year here. The most common form of crime is car jackings.
A car is just as dangerous as a gun and people tend to be way more irresponsible with cars than they do guns. Way more people are killed by reckless or drunk driving each year in the U.S than by guns. If you have one incident with a gun you will get it confiscated. How ever you can be quite a shitty driver and not get your license revoked.
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no i mean would they be prepared to actually take the shooter on . its a problem the army face alot where they train up a soldier , on paper and in training he is a top class soldier . they get him on the front line and that first round goes past their heads and they just freeze up and cant do the job .
ive seen it with a young lad that came into my platoon , he was near enough in tears , his tour lasted about a week .
so it will depend on the sort of person who is armed . carrying a weapon is one thing , being prepared to use it is another issue all together no matter how much your life is in danger .
but yes they certainly would have a chance of taking the shooter down if they have the balls to do it .
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But you still have murders there don’t you. Im much safer where i live than in London and guns are available to civilians here. The town i live near has around 90,000 people living in it and guns aren’t banned. Theres on average 1 murder a year here. The most common form of crime is car jackings.
[/quote] murder here is quite uncommon with regular people id say at least 90% of murders here are gangs killing eachother .
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A car is just as dangerous as a gun and people tend to be way more irresponsible with cars than they do guns. Way more people are killed by reckless or drunk driving each year in the U.S than by guns. If you have one incident with a gun you will get it confiscated. How ever you can be quite a shitty driver and not get your license revoked
[/quote] its not so much the gun that i have an issue with , my issue is WHO is allowed that gun .
you wouldnt let a 5 year old drive a truck would you ?
In general, I agree with you. However, it is very much different situation. In army, the stress is built over months and months when you gradually know that the moment in which you will face prospect of imminent death is inevitable. Moreover, you are there to serve for ideals that may make much less sense than in the moment you enlisted. And you know you could have been home having hot chocolate if you hadn’t signed that stupid paper two years ago.
In the cinema you are with you loved person just enjoying yourself, you want to have a good time. You didn’t sign up for being shot at. Suddenly someone wants to take life of your loved ones, yours, and everything away from you. One of the things that I read most people say in this situations is that their first thought - and action - is covering their loved ones, even if that means putting own body between them and gunfire. The second thing is engaging the attacker in order to protect their loved ones, often disregarding own safety.
Different paths lead to warzone and to theater and different motivations stand behind reactions in warzone and theater. I do believe that the guy you described would most probably do much better in the theater, than he did in Afghanistan.
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yes and no . when fighting in afganistan i never thought about why or what we were fighting for . the only thing i thought of is dealing with the situation in hand getting the men i was responble for out of that situation alive . just as you would in this situation .
Well true i would say though the majority would fire at the attacker though. Like @snejdarek many of these people were there with their family members. They would have had quite a few chances to shoot the shooter because i believe he reloaded several times.
London averages around 90-150 murders every year. The town i live in has maybe one a year and sometimes theres years where there aren’t any murders. London’s violent crime rate is also much higher than my entire state combined. Muggings, assaults, rapes. So even though people in my state could own a fully automatic machine gun (if they wanted to go through all the paper work and all that stuff) i am statistically much safer than you are.
No and i wouldn’t let a five year old own a gun and its against the law for them to own a gun. Controlling a car is much more difficult than controlling a gun. When ever i shot at that age i had an adult holding the gun with at all times. I was never just given a real gun to run around with.
statically you’re not much safer at all . london has a population of between 8-9 million and a murder rate per 100,000 in 2012 (most likely has come down since goign by the year by year decrease we see since ) of 1.1
your twon has 90,000 and according to you one murder a year (i doubt it) which works out roughly the same murder rate .
what state do you live in and whats the town you’re talking of ?
I live in Colorado and the town i live close to is Longmont. I don’t think that you will be able to pull up the crime stats of the town i live in because its so small.
yes as i expected your murder rates averages at 1.1 per 100,000 although in 2012 you had 0 murders (impressive )
Yeah and thats even with all the gang activity and illegal immigrants that live there. Like i said the most common form of crime is car jackings.
Even though my chances of being murdered or jumped are extremely low i still would like the right to concealed carry.