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@TobiTobsen I get it that we are invisible, but the fact that search is also disabled on this thread is a bummer. Could you please do something about the search?
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But again you missed his point if you compare countries or states. He simply stated that folks with a gun are more likely to use it on themselves than to successfully prevent a home invasion.
No I think you misread what I said.
Did you misread it again or was what I said not clear enough?
I didn’t say using it was part of the fantasy, simply owning it was.
is that really what you believe? Do you think I live in a police state with little or no personal freedom?
That is correct, WWII showed the world that you cannot always rely on the state to protect it’s civilians. That is why we have all these international organizations like the UN, NATO, Council of Europe, European Union, International Criminal Court etc etc. Most of these organizations have courts which allow individuals or states to start a court case against another state or their own state if it violated their human rights. These courts, especially the European Human Rights Court, have been extremely successful in protection the rights of individuals against interference and breaches by their states or foreign ones.
What’s the cruel irony in this? The United states don’t recognize the jurisdiction of any of those courts because they got dragged before it so often. Non of the human right treaties signed by the states take precedence over domestic law which essentially renders them moot.
You are right when you state that the US didn’t have a genocide happen in it’s backyard in the 20th century. Woodrow Willson and Roosevelt looked beyond their own borders and sought to create a global community, the reality is that for the US it got stuck somewhere in the 1950s. While most Western Countries (even Russia and Turkey) have human rights they can legally enforce before an international court the US has the second amendment.
https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/157/26883.html
Please do say to me I live in a nanny state, i’d probably agree with you. However don’t give me this “protection against the evil government” thing. If the US would even decide to massacre its inhabitants (and lets be honest the target probably wouldn’t be WASP’s) then that handgun or rifle is going to do little. The entire national community would probably have to step in to even have a shot at stopping that military juggernaut.
General colt made every man equal and democratized the battlefield, then some jackass came along with tanks, drones and nukes.
Sorry can’t change that! 
I can’t believe that in situation where the US army together with the force of all of its allies is utterly unable to change the course of things in Afghanistan (a country of 30 millions) someone can still argue that the armed citizenry of US (300 millions) would be no match for its army.
That in situation when the army can rely on being supplied from home, as opposed to situation when it would not only be without supplies, but with its homebase under attack.
That in situation where most of its soldiers would refuse to execute orders of what they would perceive as a tyranic government. Hell, even the Czechoslovak COMMUNIST army generals, thoroughly vetted and indoctrinated, made it clear in 1989 they would not go against the people as the government was losing its footing.
I wish Czechs had Swiss militia system in 1938. I wish Czechs were armed in 1948. I wish we had arms in 1968.
Please go to Serbia and Kosovo and do tell the people who live there how they were protected by those bodies.
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What you fail to understand is in the UK criminal do not have access to guns especially not petty thieves and murderes .
And what bollocks are you talking only the royal and rich can have a gun in the UK , the process costs £250 all together including the gun safe which you have to install and under go inspection on , which is about 150-£200 and actuall certificate costs £50 ANYONE can apply . You must have a reason to own one I.E I go shooting on a weekend at this range .
Then you are given a license . That’s it job done . You can not own one solely for self defence HOWEVER you CAN use your shotgun in self defence
Any man of any size can defend his home against an home invasion as the home invader will at most have a knife . Very easy
You can also then apply for a firearms license which gives you access to the other types of guns (rifles , long pistols , etc )
So the video you posted would be perfectly legal in the UK 
Well of course it’s a hypothetical situation, US soldiers are US civilians they probably won’t shoot on their own family and neighbors. But I have personally, and I am not making this shit up, heard an American bring that argument forward in Amsterdam on a terrace when he was talking about gun ownership. That;s the thing that comedian brought up.
The primary arguments for gun ownership brought forwards are always protection against home invasions or a tyrannical government. It’s never just: Well sheesh I just like guns and I hunt with them or, well I like to have a deadly weapon at home because I feel empowered.
At least folks who smoke are honest. When someone questions their habits they never bring forward arguments like: It’s good for your health or it’s good for the economy. They just say: “Fuck you, I like it and I can do what I want because I have freedom”.
Their states weren’t part of many of those organizations. Eventually NATO did intervene and stop the violence. Many of the relatives have received financial compensation. Serbia was held responsible not for aiding a genocide but for failing to prevent a genocide which is a landmark thing. Most people responsible have been caught, tried and sentenced.
Compare the Bosnian Genocide case with the Nicaragua v. United States case and you’ll see. In the latter the US actively supported contra’s and got convicted after which they raised a giant middle finger to the global community. In the former Serbia was convicted just because they failed to act. As for criminal punishment, do you think George Bush will be criminally tried to running more than one prison torture operation? Hell no, his brother is probably gonna get elected in a few years and O’l George will relax at his ranch.
I also fail to see how a war in the Balkans somehow proves you in Česká republika have fewer human rights and legal protection than a civilian in the US. I don’t see a connection.
Suicidal people will use what ever they can to kill themselves. Look to South Korea which has the highest suicide rate in the world and no guns.
Yes i did apologizes.
Im always shocked that people like you and @TheDivineInfidel find it so hard to believe that i want a gun for protection. I do not fantasize about shooting people or using it on a burglar. Murders are extremely rare where i live but rare is not a never. I’d rather buy a gun before i get it that instead of buying it after i’m attacked. But like i said the concept of self defense seems quite alien to you and @TheDivineInfidel. You think the police can teleport to you with out a moments notice and stop the threat. Seems to me that you’re the only one living in fantasy world.
You keep painting gun owners are people who fantasize about murder all the time. You refuse to believe that i would own a gun for self defense and you think its necessary for people to defend themselves because the police can do it. So yes i would say self defense is a weird concept for you.
Events like these occur often and the U.N does nothing to stop them. Rwanda, Cambodia, China, Russia, I could go on.
Well i could amend that statement slightly. Although theses weren’t mass genocide cases they were massacres. The sand Creek massacre happened when a native tribe (mostly women and children). Placed themselves under the protection of the U.S government and pledged themselves to the U.S. What did they get for flying the U.S flag above their village? The U.S Calvary rode in and slaughtered every single last one. Then lets move to the wounded knee massacre. The U.S calvary demanded the braves give up their guns. The braves not wanting their women and children harmed gave up their rifles. As soon as the rifles were given up the calvary murdered all of them.
Im fairly sure the U.S can do that to. The constitution gives us our rights we don’t need the U.N for that. The international court would do nothing if say the Russian government decided their people didn’t deserve basic rights anymore. You live in a fantasy Utopia where you think every thing is perfect. “The system will never fail me”.
The international community wouldn’t do shit. The world hates America and would love for all of us to die at the hands of our government. The U.S military couldn’t fight off a rebellion in its own country. I doubt most of the military would even go along with it. But then again German, Russian, and Chinese troops had no problem with firing on their own people.
Thats why i said the cameras would watch as your throat got slit. I didn’t make any mention of guns.
What im talking about is the government gets to have armed guards and people who are rich enough can afford them. But common people like yourself aren’t allowed that right. Which is complete horse shit. Thats i find it funny when the powerful want to ban guns and yet they have armed guards. I guess their families just matter more than your family.
We’ve already been over this. Fighting off a knife attacker in is anything but easy. Your completely delusional.
And thats why the world hates America. They hear one asshole on vacation in Europe say something stupid and then Europeans get this idea that they’re so much better than us. Do you want me to bring up all the fucking stupid thing I’ve seen European tourists do? Because i have a lot of stories.
Yes i know strange people might want to defend themselves and their families.
You’re brain dead if you think Jeb Bush has any chance at getting elected. George Bush had the second lowest approval ratings out of any U.S president. Obama has the lowest. There is no way America will elect another Bush. Hillary Clinton has a better chance than him but i hope to god she does not get in. It would be another 8 years of our country going down hill.
U.S presidents could get away with anything now a days. Both George Bush and Obama should have been kicked out of office and arrested before their first terms were up. I don’t believe we’ve had an honest good president since JFK but he got a bullet in the brain for challenging the federal reserve.
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“Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide”
-Abraham Lincoln
And sadly this is whats happening to America right now. We are being destroyed from the inside and we are reaching a point of no return.
Now make those coyotes an unsuspecting Group of Russian troops. And give them semi autos or even full autos instead of the bolt actions they’re using. Took them about 40 seconds to drop all of them.
I’ve read enough books about people fighting in my homeland against the Habsburg Catholic tyranny (up to 2/3 of population killed/expelled), against Nazi occupants (360.000 people killed, 80.000 of them only for being Jewish), against Soviet-sponzored Communist dictatorship (thousands killed and hundreds of thousands forced to flee), to be aware of the fact that any of these can receive and did receive very painful blows from civilians, only if the civilians have means to do that.
Yes, there are people who can’t appreciate it, like you. Who prefer to bow down in front of the power and live a quiet life instead of fighting for freedom. I have no problem with such people existing. But the least I expect of them is to be quiet in arguments like these instead of berating those who don’t share their opinion. That they keep to themselves their ideas that the people who might have the guts to actually do something when the time comes would duck down anyway too, saying that the argument of needing guns against tyranny is an empty one.
Nobody is spitting in your face for being a pacifist crybaby. So please don’t spit in our face for being ready to defend our freedoms, even with guns if needed.
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Hahaha you think Russian troops would run in the open . Please stick to guns you have zero knowledge of combat and have shown it time after time .
It’s very easy for you to sit their in a comfortable home typing about how easy it is to drop a platoon of soldiers but you have not the slightest expirence is combat so please don’t go on like it’s easy or you could do it , I have far more respect for you when you talk about guns
I was just using that as an example of how there are people who can take down 6 targets moving faster than humans very quickly.
You’re seriously telling me 6-7 people who can shoot like that can’t take out a similar number of unsuspecting soldiers? The hunters would ambush them hence why i said they would be unsuspecting.
Ill paint you a picture. Some Russian soliders are in unfamiliar terrain. There are about 10 of them. When walking near or through a wooded area they are ambushed on both sides by people who are excellent shots. The Soliders have no idea where they are getting shot from (remember hunters know how to conceal themselves). You’re still telling me under those circumstances the Russian troops will still prevail?
Guerrilla ambushed in Vietnam worked quite well. It was the only way the could fight American troops without getting stomped.
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The Soliders have no idea where they are getting shot from (remember hunters know how to conceal themselves). You’re still telling me under those circumstances the Russian troops will still prevail?
[/quote]I have actually had this discussion with alot of my hunting buddies, and most of them say they would shoot one in the gut and then just start killing the rest. Its what alot of NVA snipers did during the Vietnam conflict, and from what i have heard the screams will make you piss your pants.
Well the @TheDivineInfidel seems to think that military training makes you bullet proof. He said a group of 10 unsuspecting soliders being ambushed on both sides by concealed attackers would be able to win the fight.
If im not mistaken divine seams to think they would have the time to react accordingly, which they would not, because it would be over it about 5 seconds.
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Not to mention even if they did they wouldn’t really have a clue where they were being shot from.
well i think they would, but the fire being from both sides it wouldn’t really matter.
Depends on how well they were concealed. By the time they were able to find the people shooting they would probably be pinned down or picked off.
Maybe divine has been shooting out in the desert to long 
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