You and @SirWarriant both say how gun ownership protects your rights and freedoms but have you ever asked your self why only very few people are allowed to own proper automatic weapons ?
Have you ever thought that it’s maybe because if you had them then you could actually hold your own against the army or swat units , you would actually have the capability to win a firefight . Ever considered it from that angle .
Well I could currently get a full-auto/select fire firearm. It would be some hassle, but it I could get it (for example this one looks nice and the price is right).
The main problem is that the Czech law requires me to allow police officer to come to my house and check the safekeeping of the FA weapons. Right now my safe is in the back of the flat. I plan to move next year and when buying a flat, I would like to have a special gun room accessible directly after entry door. In this situation I might consider getting FA, but currently I will not be issuing invitation for a visit to police officers.
Otherwise:
Its Warhorse… Warhorse… why can´t people get their stuff togther?
It’s important to note when I talk about automatic weapons I am no discussing rifles I am discussing light support weapons .
As you mentioned I have said before that fully-auto is never used on rifles , it’s inaccurate and a waste of ammunition .
Light support weapons are used to suppress allowing your rifle men to manovre or provide more accurate shots .
These two as a combination is what wins a firefight . [quote=“snejdarek, post:2907, topic:27880”]
if you don’t have unrestricted supply of ammo, ammo conservation should be priority
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This is why supply is so crucial . I’ve had firefights where I’ve personally gone through well over 10,000 rounds over a number of hours easily done in a intense firefight.
If you are to win you have to dominate the battleground you can’t do that when rationing ammo . When a situation like that occurs which again I’ve experienced where my unit was not supplied properly for well over 3 months we hunkered down prayed and tried to preserve ammo . We certainly didn’t go on patrol (partly because that would have been suicide at the time) because we didn’t have the munitions to win a firefight we simply had enough to survive sometimes not even enough for that .
Already gave you my answer on this. The U.S government funds insurgencies constantly, even if they have no real strategic value to us. Sometimes sticking it to your enemy is all the reason you need.
Ah here you go. Now you’re trying to turn the argument into “it will never happen, so no use arguing about”. Ive stated multiple times this is a hypothetical situation, i don’t believe for one second the Czech Republic is in danger of being occupied by the Russians.
So you’re agreeing with me?
Like France? 
Jesus Christ i know you won, you don’t have to tell me that. I said IF there was no water you would have been fucked. You’re the one bragging about not being occupied by the Germans, acting like you had the same situation the Czechs had, when you didn’t, saying cringe worthy things like “The British spirit kept us going”. Your “British spirit” wouldn’t have mean’t shit with a massive German army approaching on a virtually defenseless London.
How many of these were huge invasions that lead to years long occupation?
Really? So we went to war with them over Vietnam, Korea, Grenada, and Cuba?
No I’m suggesting we could send SF in to train them, don’t even try to say thats impossible, the amount of times we’ve done that in the past. Czech troops would also be capable of training the people like i said probably seven times before.
People are generally a lot more willing to bleed if it’s on their home turf.
They weren’t being armed by a super power when ISAF was in Afgan. Had the Taliban been giving modern anti air and modern AT equipment, you would have seen far greater loses. The Russians losing birds in Afgan to our stingers we gave the Muijahadeen was one of the last straws for them.
Never claimed they would kill 50 Russians a day. The Czechs would lose far more men than the Russians would. 50,000 U.S troops died compared to a million Vietnamese, but the war became too unpopular for us. The Russians would start wondering why they’re even in the Czech Republic, the war would become unpopular back home, and they would leave.
If the rebels lost the fire fight, yet still managed to kill a few Russian troops, it would be a victory.
Check the link I provided.
How many SWAT units carry light support weapons around with them?
Enough light support weapons exist in civilian hands to arm a small army, there are thousands of people who actively train for this kind of thing in the U.S, many of whom are ex military.
As for taking them “head on” as you say. I’m willing to bet there would be a big split in the police force, and the military if the government ever went rouge.
So for an insurgency to be effective, everyone must now be armed with LMGs? Got it, i guess you should tell your military to ditch their assault rifles, because they’re worthless.
No the officer should do what ever is needed to stop the threat, to ensure peoples safety. If he’s able to do that by hitting their shoulder fine, but when someone is rampaging with a knife, you’re most likely not going to get a perfect opportunity to hit a non lethal area. We don’t even know if the cop was aiming for the shoulder in this case since the article you linked had next no information in it.
I wish we lived in your fantasy world where every cop is Doc holiday and can shoot someones hand at 10 meters to disarm them, but a lot of the times when they shoot an armed attacker they have little choice to aim for anywhere but center mass.
name one successfully funded from scratch and trained from scratch
my main argument here is against this point
because i believe its a fanstey world to believe you would have any chance to train these people up before the russians took control as @snejdarek says himself
i agree with you that if you was able to supply , equip and train a large guerrilla force numbering thousands that you could pose an adequate threat that over many years could indeed force the russians to leave .
but i dont agree you could do it with civilian owned weapons and i dont believe the czech would survive long enough to be able to really gather anything other than a stale pair of pants , and i dont believe any sane nation would fund an insurgencie from scratch in a country where the russian military has complete control and thousands of troops .
unlike france we would not have wasted our money on a half built wall
well it is the british spirit that kept us going like it or not cringe dont cringe couldnt care less . we wasnt invaded because it would have been impossible for them to invade at the time .
id say a handful of times . medieval times we are talking here . not modern . we have always maintained a strong navy preventing an invasion which in turn has allowed us to have quite a small army . even in the height of the empire our army was never really that large compared to other major nations .
very close to it .
im not saying its impossible but its unlikely . where would you train them ? if the russians owned the entire of the country where the fuck are you going to set up the facilities to train them .
you dont think the taliban have stingers ? you dont think they have Anti-air weapons ? you are a fool . they have plenty of kit out there . there is a reason its protocol out there to fly low and fast …
@snejdarek did
i dont think you can quite compare the two populations though can you ? not many liberal fuck tards in russia .
if you could set the force up then yes it could be done but what im saying is in the czech republics situation you would have the time to set one up and too attempt one in a nation which is already 100% under russian control is as near impossible as it gets .
would it ? would it really . thats the attitude that lost Hitler the war .
which one ?
never said they did but if you had automatic weapons you could actually beat them in a firefight . the government will always keep you at a level below them in terms of capability only an idiot is led to believe that your rifle makes you any harder to control .
indeed there maybe in the US . but the US also has a large military . as for the police and army splitting indeed then yes thats a completely different situation.
yes indeed .
are you able to read ? maybe i should explain it clearer .
light support weapons gain fire superiority suppressing the enemy meaning they cant move or effectively return fire . this allows the rest of the unit equipped with rifles to gain a better position and take more aimed shots and actually kill the enemy in question .
in short for you ?
assault rifles + light support weapons = effective fighting force
doesnt come up with the actual weapon you showed me but i did have a look through some nice weapons .
as you say its a lot of hassle . it is so for a reason .
at the end of the day the police want it to remain so that if you go nutty they can kill you to put it bluntly
looks like good fun not sure id pick it over a Minimi Light Machine Gun though which is lighter and has a faster rate of fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Minimi
Minimi wouldn’t go for € 400 here. The good cheap stuff is usually local surplus. This shop actually specializes on ex-commie countries surplus.
I think that their adverts got some notoriety in UK.
“With empty hands, you can soon find yourself kneeling.”
“Zelený sport offers the largest choice of semi-auto AK in Christian Europe.”
I would love to buy a Russian AK but now with the sanctions those are long sold out.
I thought the U.N banned those for being too deadly?
i bet it wouldnt . brilliant weapon . the fire power its able to bring in a quite light compact package is stunning which is vital in combat .
these larger support weapons are great for days at the range and for some fun . but when it comes to real combat there great for static defence but to carry them around all day . they soon become to much
Too much right wing propaganda.
I read in a fire arms magazine, that after a lone Russian solider defeated the entire U.S army with one Russian made Ak, the world agreed that no man should have that much power. The U.S is still attempting to cover up the embarrassing incident but to no avail.
M77B1 - € 1.000
vz 52/57 light machine gun - € 2.000
RPD machine gun - € 1.100 (but these got absolutely shit reputation in Czech army after they bought some Polish surplus to put them on Land Rovers)
Well the fact is that after invasion of Ukraine, Russians can’t export jackshit.
