Troll cave II

[TheDivineInfidel]

What was the point of funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan? What was the point of the Russians funding the Vietcong?

different situations completely the vietcong was an established miltary force as was the mujahideen long before the invasion by the US and by the russians in Afghanistan .

to fund one completely from scratch is a completely different matter i have no doubt money would be pumped into the Czech republic to try and help them hold for as long as possible or fight the invasion of all together but once it fell . its too late . i think we can all agree even @snejdarek that the czech republic in its current state wouldnt last long unless NATO was able to deploy in time but taking NATO out of the situation they wouldnt stand a chance of lasting anymore than a few days .

Let’s be fair here. The only reason the U.K didn’t get immediately fucked in the ass after France fell in 1940, was because of the water in between you and the German army ( there was only one combat ready divsion in your country when France fell.

what was stopping hitler doing it was our navy . we still held a strong naval supremacy in the channel as well as an airforce . so yes i agree in a way but disagree in another .we lost the majority of our kit in dunkirk as well but we turned dunkirk into one of the greatest moral victories this country has ever had . it installed a will to survive in this country the like of which i doubt we will ever see again . the entire country came together . with help from others including yourselves were able to go on to completely rebuild and fight off the most advanced and if not certainly one of the largest airforces in the world in that day .

we could of simply surrendered in that moment but we didnt . czech republic on the other hand gave up without really any fight at all .

Most European nations have been invaded or occupied at one point in their history, only reason you haven’t been is because of the channel.

we have been invaded many times to be fair . not in the modern age however .

Never said they would chase them blindly. But if they wanted to go after the insurgents they would have to risk losing choppers or planes.

what are they going to shoot them down with ? i dont believe they are legally allowed to own AA and AT ?

You said yourself no military commander in his right mind is going to risk losing an expensive piece of equipment like that, especially over a few insurgents. If you find out the insurgents have that kind of equipment you’d probably see all aircraft grounded like in Ukraine.

depends on the aircraft an Apache for example can engage you long before you see or hear it so can alot of modern attack aircraft . so unless you are saying the insurgents now have advanced radar there not really any threat to the air .
taliban have maybe shot down a dozen aircraft the entire war .

Almost every example in history i can think of, where the occupiers start using brutal tactics to subdue the population, it back fires and creates more insurgents.

The British acting like pricks to the locals in the south during the American revolution is what created an insurgency that had a crippling effect on the British army there.

i agree but read my point again . if timed right the people can quickly turn against their liberators

[TheDivineInfidel]

Having a rough day, are we?

i am actually to be fair

[TheDivineInfidel]

I look at it from the other perspective.

Despite being occupied by a coalition involving most of Catholic Europe that was hell bound on destroying the language (failed), culture (failed) and religion (succeeded in part - instead of making local protestants catholic, now everyone is atheist) between 1620 and 1918, the country was reestablished, even though the initial Catholic-Habsburg push led to 2/3 population loss (roughly 1/3 killed 1/3 expelled) and was followed by massive German immigration.

Then despite being occupied by a coalition of all surrounding states (Germany, Poland, Hungary) with active support of remaining European powers (France, UK) and losing some 360.000 people, who were mostly targeted national elites (political, science, military), the country was reestablished again (with being the only occupied country where a head of state was executed by Germany for being an active member of local resistance and where the highest ranking Nazi was killed).

Then despite being invaded and occupied by entire Warsaw Pact (bar Romania) and with extreme communist indoctrination… here we are, a beacon of sanity (Austrian and German immigration policies) as well as democracy (recent happenings in Poland, Hungary) in the center of Europe.

We know how to persevere, and it is my opinion that civilian firearm ownership would be very much helpful towards perseverance in future (note: the communist party power takeover would look very much differently if people were armed).

then you’d think your country would learn to build a proper military .

We know how to persevere, and it is my opinion that civilian firearm ownership would be very much helpful towards perseverance in future

i disagree . if as you and @SirWarriant were correct and an insurgency was formed i can almost bet you everything i own , you wouldnt use a single one of your weapons in combat . you would be supplied with proper weapons . meaning regardless of if you owned a gun before or not you would be able to join the insurgency .

or are you proposing you would hold your home like a fortress ? i doubt it .
most of what you say all sounds very brave but i know from experience its a load of tosh combat isnt as simple as you make it out

[SirWarriant]

i am actually to be fair

Did you find out your boyfriend is cheating on you?

[TheDivineInfidel]

Did you find out your boyfriend is cheating on you?

found out your mum cheated on me actually …yea come at me bro

[SirWarriant]

Of course she did. You’re a complete cuck.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Of course she did. You’re a complete cuck

im not well versed in your american slang so ill stick to what i know . you’re a cunt too

[SirWarriant]

Basically a cuck is someone who isn’t man enough, so their girlfriend or wife fucks other men and the cuck does nothing about it.

Recently though Cuck has become synonymous with germans.

[SirWarriant]

DEAR GOD, Even after admitting to the post being bait, people are still falling for it.

[SirWarriant]

different situations completely the vietcong was an established miltary force as was the mujahideen long before the invasion by the US and by the russians in Afghanistan .

Not really relevant to what i said. You asked me the point of the U.S funding Czech insurgents.

to fund one completely from scratch is a completely different matte

No said it would be an easy or fast process. I have said multiple times for the Czechs to make an occupation too costly for the Russians it would take years and many deaths.

think we can all agree even @snejdarek that the czech republic in its current state wouldnt last long unless NATO was able to deploy in time but taking NATO out of the situation they wouldnt stand a chance of lasting anymore than a few days .

No one said they could. We’re talking about a guerrilla war, not a conventional one.

what was stopping hitler doing it was our navy

I don’t think you got the point of what i said. If the U.K wasn’t from Europe by water, Germany would have rolled over you. The water made an invasion impossible, because as you said your navy was more powerful, and invading an island isn’t a cake walk.

we lost the majority of our kit in dunkirk as well but we turned dunkirk into one of the greatest moral victories this country has ever had . it installed a will to survive in this country the like of which i doubt we will ever see again . the entire country came together .

It’s easy to remain hopeful when your enemy cannot reach you with their ground forces.

we could of simply surrendered in that moment but we didnt . czech republic on the other hand gave up without really any fight at all .

Had the German army been able to reach you, you guys would have been fucked.

we have been invaded many times to be fair . not in the modern age however .

How many times has England as a country really been invaded, and occupied?

what are they going to shoot them down with ? i dont believe they are legally allowed to own AA and AT ?

SirWarriant:

We could supply them with AA, and AT.

so unless you are saying the insurgents now have advanced radar there not really any threat to the air .

We could probably provide them the said radar.

taliban have maybe shot down a dozen aircraft the entire war .

SirWarriant:

Which war? NATO wasn’t fighting the Taliban while they were being supplied by a super power. The afgans made the Russians extremely hesitant to use helicopters for air support once we gave them stingers.

you wouldnt use a single one of your weapons in combat . you would be supplied with proper weapons .

They would use what ever weapons they could get their hands on.

[TheDivineInfidel]

what a beautiful speech on democracy

a true old school British conservative

[TheDivineInfidel]

Not really relevant to what i said. You asked me the point of the U.S funding Czech insurgents.

yes indeed i did . i asked you whats the point of funding an insurgency from scratch when the Russians have already secured the country and what would the objective of these insurgency ? just an endless struggle costing the US tax payer billions over decades ?

No said it would be an easy or fast process. I have said multiple times for the Czechs to make an occupation too costly for the Russians it would take years and many deaths.

then it would not take place because its pointless and too costly . diplomatic pressure and sanctions are what would take place and lots of talk of red lines .

either that or a full scale counter attack by NATO .

No one said they could. We’re talking about a guerrilla war, not a conventional one.

indeed but the guerrilla force would be facing a conventional force and the only way to truly defeat a conventional force is a better conventional force . or as you say a decades long struggle with the hope the russians get fed up before you all die .

I don’t think you got the point of what i said. If the U.K wasn’t from Europe by water, Germany would have rolled over you. The water made an invasion impossible, because as you said your navy was more powerful, and invading an island isn’t a cake walk.

thats a question none of us can answer its also an empty point . why ? because if that was the case we would not have been a naval country . we would have built a strong army rather than a strong navy .

so our entire military set up would have been geared towards fighting off a ground invasion . so its a stupid point with no grounds .

you might as well go the full way and say "well if you had only an army of 30,000 you wouldnt last against russia either " TRUE but we dont .

Had the German army been able to reach you, you guys would have been fucked.

but they couldnt and didnt and we won . [quote=“SirWarriant, post:2895, topic:27880”]
How many times has England as a country really been invaded, and occupied?
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since 1066 ? 73 times

We could supply them with AA, and AT.

indeed you could but that would mean a direct conflict with russia thus leading to most likely a conventional confrontation between the US and russia .
thus likely leading to nuclear war …yea i doubt you would you learnt you lesson last time .
either way my point stands to what end ? you are suggesting the US could take 150,000 people out of an occupied country train them , send them back into the czech republic and then supply them continuously for decades until russia gets bored and leaves …right … and all without starting a conventional war with russia …

Which war? NATO wasn’t fighting the Taliban while they were being supplied by a super power. The afgans made the Russians extremely hesitant to use helicopters for air support once we gave them stingers.

i was talking about the ISAF deployment in Afghanistan . and how many isaf helicopters they have shot down over the years .

They would use what ever weapons they could get their hands on.

indeed you could but then you quickly realise a few rifles doesnt quite match up to a full strength Russian platoon who are capable of putting thousands of rounds down on your location in a few minutes . then you start thinking "hmm okay maybe these dont quite cut it "

ohh no sorry your planning on never actually engaging in a firefight instead just firing a few shots (of which all find their target because you’re all really good marksmen on a quite calm range) and somehow kill 50 russians a day using this tactic …right

[TheDivineInfidel]

you need more officers like this
http://dudecomedy.com/teen-gets-shot-attacking-students-two-kitchen-knives/

calm and collective . single shot to the shoulder , no trigger happy shit just clean and effective

[McWonderBeast]

Hahaga Thomas been around for some of your more memorable Trollings too.

[snejdarek]

i think we can all agree even @snejdarek that the czech republic in its current state wouldnt last long unless NATO was able to deploy in time but taking NATO out of the situation they wouldnt stand a chance of lasting anymore than a few days .

Czech Army is currently in no state to defend the country. After we joined NATO we scrapped most of our military and made a professional 27K core intended as a specialist force for special NATO tasks (anti-chemical/biological/nuclear unit, military hospitals, special operations, precision bombing/close air support, etc.).

The main line of thought after 2000s was that with NATO and EU there will be no need for position warfare army any more. Nobody saw Putin coming, invading countries around Russia and building army up at the time when Russian pensioners are literally going hungry.

For a country small as ours there are two ways to achieve effective defensive capability: building up again one of the strongest forces in the world as we had during communism, which totally crippled the economy (as if having communist economy wasn’t enough) or to have a SF core and Swiss style militia.

I am all for Swiss style militia.

we could of simply surrendered in that moment but we didnt . czech republic on the other hand gave up without really any fight at all

We did fight and lost over 2000 people (100 KIA and 2000 MIA).

Sudetendeutsches Freikorps

These losses only made general support for fighting Germany rise, however once UK and France backed Germany, Poland and Hungary joined Germany militarily and … well here is the map again:

Trying to say that UK was in any way in similar situation is complete BS.

what are they going to shoot them down with ? i dont believe they are legally allowed to own AA and AT ?

There’s plenty of them in the warehouses. And that is why we need Swiss style milita, so that warehouses are empty in case anyone gets into the country, instead of ready for takeover.

or are you proposing you would hold your home like a fortress ? i doubt it .

No, I am saying a lot of people would have a lot of staches in places not far from their homes and they would use them only when they would feel they can get away with that, while continuing their daily life and work other days. I don’t expect all 300.000 gun owners to “go to the woods” at one moment.[quote=“TheDivineInfidel, post:2898, topic:27880”]
single shot to the shoulder
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Not that cool if you realize the number of people around and the high probability of the round shooting through and wounding someone behind.

[Wenceslaus]

but they couldnt and didnt and we won .

True, but that was thanks to the Bren machinegun.

[Wenceslaus]

we could of simply surrendered in that moment but we didnt . czech republic on the other hand gave up without really any fight at all .

You compare Dunkirk to Munich Agreement? That is absolutely completly nonsence.

This was about our borders surrounded from all sides, not a French city we would have to leave.
And the enemies were prepared to invade us in that very moment, not as possibility if he gets over the water.
And even though Czechoslovakia had an effective industry, we werent simply big enough to build tanks, guns and planes so the last one suffer from that a lot.

The fact that you were an exception to be an island and that there more populated are the reasons you could fight on.

[ProkyBrambora]

Here we go again.
Britbong trying to get under our skin.

How many times was it? I remember at least 2 times before, making iths 3rd. But I’d say there must have been more.

[snejdarek]

you wouldnt use a single one of your weapons in combat

Just to make one thing clear: my vz.58 was used by the army in Afghanistan till 2013 and soldiers were quite unhappy when they had to part with them (mine is adjusted for semi-auto only).

My GF’s AR 15 is the Israeli Police Spec (adjusted for semi-auto only).

As regards pistols, CZ 75 is the service gun (albeit different version). And CZ 52 has capability to penetrate most pistol proof body armors.

I just need some proper long range rifle, which will happen rather soon, and then I wouldn’t bet much about the government being able to supply me with kit that would be better than the one I already have.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Just to make one thing clear: my vz.58 is military surplus (adjusted for semi-auto only).

My GF’s AR 15 is the exact Israeli Police Spec (adjusted for semi-auto only).

As regards pistols, CZ 75 is the service gun (albeit different version). And CZ 52 has capability to penetrate most pistol proof body armors.

I just need some proper long range rifle, which will happen rather soon, and then I wouldn’t bet much about the government being able to supply me with kit that would be better than the one I already have.

None of which would win you a firefight against a military unit with support weapons capable of our firing you . As I’ve explained before a firefight is won and lost on fire superiority, your weapons may be useful for small scale self defence situations but the moment you were caught in a proper firefight you would simply be suppressed , out manorvered and killed.

Long range rifle would be of some use yes other than that you need more than some semi-auto rifles . You would soon ditch your current weapons I assure you . [quote=“ProkyBrambora, post:2903, topic:27880”]
Britbong trying to get under our skin.
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I’m fucking good at it , this might be my best yet , I’ve got the whole cave involved .