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#3910

That’s the official number from 5 years ago I believe, so the number is most certainly higher unfortunately.

I’m pretty sure they don’t deport people who come here and have a kid hence the term anchor baby. Could be wrong though.

Most of theses people use their kids as a shield and for citizen ship anyway so I really don’t have much sympathy for them.

It’s not the children’s fault of course, but I don’t see why we grant citizenship on the basis of you being born here. It encourages illegal immigration.

#3911

I hope Trump will try to change the way it is now, i.e. that even babies of illegal immigrants are automaticaly granted citizenship. If I remember correctly, during campaign he questioned that such cases are protected under constitution and even some high profile lawers aknowledged he might be right. I expect him to wait for appointment of new supreme court judges and then he will try to push it through. Shitstorm that will follow will be glorious. If media call him Hitler just because he wants to deport people who have no riight to be in the USA, what are they gonna call him if he will want to prevent poor little mexican babies from acquiring citizenship?

#3912

Not gonna happen.

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#3913

SUPER HITLER.

Probably not. All we honestly need is to enforce the current law that exists, and a wall wouldn’t hurt.

#3914

This is very delicate issue that you can’t dismiss just by quoting wikipedia article. “There are respected academics who argue that the 14th Amendment allows but does not require children of illegal immigrants to receive citizenship just by virtue of having been born on American soil.” - Leftist fact-checker

Considering that american supreme court just recently decided that 18th century constitution (sic!) guarantees right for same sex merriage, it’s obvious that it is only matter of the right choice of judges to get a desired decision in such politicaly charged issues. AFAIK it is expected Trump will have opportunity to appoint more than just the one judge he already proposed. He can wait for better conservative majority and then push it through with reasonable chance of success.

#3915

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
State wherein they reside.

Given that Trump pledged to introduce strong constitutionalists into the SCOTUS, whích now includes also Gorsuch, I would not bet on swinging of the opinion away from literal meaning of the Constitution.

#3916

It’s perfectly public and known by the candidates that them , their entire family , extended and friends as well as possible cabinet members . That they will undergo extreme vetting . Everything upturned . Including as is clear , phone calls . This is to ensure anyone having the potential access to government information is not open to black mail .

This happens months before the election even takes place .

If you are going to go into a position of public office then it’s part of the deal

I was watching a documentary about the moving process of going into the White House as well as all the supposed secrets of the White House and its security and they spoke about this in it . Rather interesting .

#3917

Huge difference between a background check, and wire tapping phone calls (especially if said official isn’t even in office yet). I don’t agree with it no matter who is doing it, and one of my biggest complaints of Trump is he seems okay with the NSAs practices, which completely violate the 5th amendment.

#3918

Big difference between a call to your parents and a international call . Especially to Russia .

#3919

Not unusual or illegal for a transition team to contact foreign officials prior to the inauguration. All adminstrations going back decades have done this.

#3920

Again you miss the point . It’s done to ensure they don’t get themselves into a situation where they can be blackmailed .

So they must know what he is saying and potentially promising .

So the act of calling isn’t a problem it’s what is being discussed which may or may not be a problem .

#3921

The law should be about innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. Monitoring someone without a warrant and who has committed no crime is wrong and violates the constitution.

" There’s a chance he may commit a crime so we have to wire tap him" attitude is how survaliance states are created. And in my view has no place in a free and fair society.

#3922

That’s well and good for your everyday citizens but not when someone has the potential to know and access the nations most secure information .
Which if placed in the wrong hands could endanger the very freedoms you are holding so highly .

#3923

Well it wasn’t Flynn’s phone that was tapped, it was the Russian embassy.

#3924

Ah and the dumb asses at the CIA thought it was a good idea to leak this to the press? I get that they are used to Obama, where covert things are announced on CNN, but seriously?

Given how they are leaking things from the White house, and actively undermining, and openly threatening the president of the United States, they are not responsible what so ever to have that kind of power. And let’s not pretend they don’t abuse the hell out of surveillance.

Anyone who even scratches the surface of the CIAs history would agree with me.

#3925

I confirmed my order for Savage MSR 10 Long Range just yesterday.

And today I found out that the “original BREN” is getting to the shops in semi-auto.

Well, this year starts off quite nice. I think I will need to buy a new safe for guns soon.

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#3926

The same gun that helped the British single handily win ww2? :wink:

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#3927

:expressionless:

#3928

fuck that get yourself one of these

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#3929

What’s that, your inner Nazi feeling dissatisfied?

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