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you must know the feeling , your country surrendered and raised their hands in salute …

Well to be precise, the British made licensed version of Czech ZGB 33, which was a development of Czech ZB 26.

Those on sale will be the ZB 26 and later version ZB 30/37. Not sure which one will be my preference.

lets be honest your rights to the we weapon ended when you put your weapons down in front of the germans so technically its ours . no one wants to give cowards the praise for it . its a british weapon deal with it :wink:

hey ! if this was the 40’s @DrFusselpulli would be your boss and youd have to kiss his unnaturally blonde arsehole on a daily basis

ohh no upset teenagers are the worse kind of revolutionaries

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@TheDivineInfidel
That A10 video is super awesome! :+1:

@snejdarek
A bit. I mean, the Bren was a good machine gun indeed, but the MG42 was way better. Lindybeige does have an extreme English bias.
Not everything produced in germany was top-notch, For example I think the Tiger overrated, this box design with straight armor was already out of date at the point. But the MG42… yes it was less accurate then the Bren, but only by a very tiny bit and it provided super effective firepower.
Why did the germans still lost the war? Because they sucked at the strategic level, they were outnumbered and they had bad intel. The british forces were the kings when it came to intel and espionage, but not in having the best machine guns.

They were different weapons for different purposes.

MG42 was a general purpose machine gun, BREN was a light machine gun while Besa was a heavy machine gun (both manufactured in Britain under Czechoslovak license). Equivalent of MG 42 would stand somewhere between the two guns, but none such was developed.

All the time this questions, Which country is better, USA, England, Germany, Czech Republic… can´t we just all agree that the French suck please?

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How about because they felt they are ubermensch and instead of using the Ukrainian and Belorussian hate of the communist soviets to recruit them for their own cause they murdered ten million of their civilians, instigating large insurgency in the rear leading to denial of supply routes to their frontline units?

I put this under strategic situations and intel. Making bad decisions like this for ideological reasons and closing the eyes for the consequences.

I really do hope they try and seceded. Nothing would make my day more than to see a bunch of Abrams rolling across the Golden gate bridge, and hipsters screaming in terror. :smile:

They also seem to forget they take out the most welfare of any state, and completely rely on my state for water. They have zero leverage to defy Trump.

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@DrFusselpulli
I rather understand the Lindybeiges video as deffending the gun from the “everything German was great and all else was junk” than that the Bren supposed to be better.

*As he pointed the Vicker K had almost the same weight, rate of fire…etc as MG42. I wonder why they did not used that one.

I would oppose that Tiger was bad design. Box design in 1942 wasn’t bad. Sloped armour give less space to the engine, crew and such so untill more powerfull engines came the box design were quite effective - you can still position your hull.
I would rather say that about the Bengal Tiger. Too much effort for too little gain.

About the tactical level… I think that Brits and Allies in general were not better. There were things like the operation Market garden and such.

So the outnumbering is, to me, the main reason.

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This was not an issue of strategy, but of lack of basic human decency.

One of the many striking facts that I learned while reading the Bloodlands and the Black Earth was that any German soldier / policeman could at any time refuse to carry out the murdering of civilians without fearing any repercussions. However, there is no record, official or unofficial, of anyone ever refusing.

Well it was extremely bad design, but not due to armor, but due to being difficult to manufacture, even more difficult to transport, and even that more difficult to maintain/repair, while having poor reliability record.

Which is something one would expect German engineers to understand is of utmost importance, given that most tanks that rolled into Austria broke down and needed to be pulled most of the way to Vienna.

I’m aware of it’s problems and I’m not suggesting it was the best tank of all time.
But all tanks broke down (early T-34 did often too). And although most were easier to repair, the effectivity of the Tiger was worth it.

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@DrFusselpulli is right the day Germany lost the war was when Hitler became involved in tactical battle decisions . i would go as far as to say i could pin point it down to single decision . Hitler decision to turn the enter german army around when it was what … 30 km i believe outside Moscow and try and take Stalingrad .

had he taken Moscow would the russians have begun to fully collapse . we wont ever know but what we do know and can say for sure was had the entire german army been focused on a single front germany would have won with ease .

so its easy to conclude Hitlers decision to bite more than he could chew cost him the war … tactical mistakes .

of course as you point out his brutal methods of dealing with occupied lands caused hate and uprisings . rather than people being more open and open to switching loyalty to hitler . poke someone with a stick long enough and you will get a slap as they say .

what a lot of people over look when it came to the MG42 … was its sound . it was a basic tactic to count the rounds fired by a gunner to know when he would need to reload thus then allowing you to advance on him . this tactic was ineffective against the MG42 because you just simply could not keep up and the german gunners were so efficient at reloading there was basically no gap in the sound of gunfire making it impossible to advance effectively without losing many men.

agreed. also the psychological effect it had on allied troops when faced against one was huge . a weapons reputation is often more effective than its bite …A-10 for example . stunning weapon but just its mere presence is often enough to win a battle .

Dude… thats not what happened. Yes, the germans were very close to Moscow in the early Winter of 1941, but there where not able to beat the russian defense at this point and the upcoming winter made it even more difficult. They had to stop the attack because of successful russian counter attacks, Yes, Hitler decided to catch another target, Stalingrad instead. But this was long after the battle for Moscow was already lost. Half a year later!
It is not that Hitler decided: “Oh we are about to capture Moscow, lets abadon this and take Stalingrad instead.” Two completely different situations. I am sure that a battle for Moscow with all power would have eaten up a lot Wehrmacht reserves, and even if they would have taken it, would they have won the war agains Russia? Taking the capital does not make it an instand win.
Yes Hitler made dump decisions, but Hitler didn´t cancelled the run for Moscow (December 1941) for Stalingrad (Case Blue, Summer 1942) like this, this just never happened.
Just take a look what happened between this two events.

In fact, Hitler declared himself as the Master of all Wehrmacht because of this successful russian counterattacks and declared that no retreat was allowed and that the Wehrmacht have to hold the frontline. This ate up a lot of the wehrmacht combat units deep in russian land while they had poor supply routes.

Interesting . We were always taught at school that it was a choice by hitler to turn and take starlingrad as he saw it as a somewhat kick in the balls to own the city which bore starlins name .

I shall have to revisit said topic then .

Sure, that might be true, but the Battle for Moscow was already lost long before this happened.

Well he was involved when the war started. But his generals would always “misinterpt” his orders, essentially ignoring them.

He got really paranoid at the speed of the German advance through France and told them to slow down. But they just ignored him.

Same deal in North Africa when he ordered Rommel to stay and fight to the death.