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#4391

Same thing pretty much.

That it? Really? How about you change that to “Every single communist country is an authoritarian hell hole”.

Yeah your welfare state is working so great, you now have millions of third worlders pouring in and cause mass violence and rape, because you hand out other peoples hard earned cash like candy.

Ohh, and if you actually had to pay for your military, instead of having U.S troops in your nation you wouldn’t be able to blow all your money on social programs.

Yeah, in the U.S we believe in treating adults like adults, not like children, like you clearly do in Europe. You are hired to do a job, and you are paid to do said job. Why in gods name you think an employer should have to pay you while you are providing him no value in return is ludicrous. Your welfare state clearly doesn’t end with your government, you fuck business in the ass too, which is probably why the U.S is still a sought after destination for people seeking to create businesses while Germany is not.

If a women wants to get pregnant have a baby that’s a conscious choice she made, not the employers, so why should the employer be paying for her choices? Same principle can apply to health care, if i am healthy and live a healthy life style, why should i pay for someone who smoked their whole life?

You do not have free education, you are taxed out the ass. And considering nine of the top ten universities in the world are in the U.S, i’d say “free” education has not worked well for you.

You mean Feudalism where everything is controlled, and owned by the government? Seems to be what you’re advocating for not me.

The most hilarious thing about lefties is they cry about those evil corporations controlling the government, and then they advocate for more government power. Corporations usually lobby for big government for this very reason.

Those 8 richest people on the planet, employ millions of people, create things, ect. They earned their way to the top, who the hell are you to demand their money?

Why don’t you take a look at the growing wealth gap and see if there is a correlation between that and regulations? I doubt you have spoken with many small business owners based on your attitude, but i have, and i know many. They hate regulations with a passion because it hurts them tremendously, because unlike multi billion dollar companies, they cannot afford them.

You think you are fighting the corporations, while you are really just helping them destroy all their competition, and create monopolies.

#4392

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:4391, topic:27880”]
That it? Really? How about you change that to “Every single communist country is an authoritarian hell hole”. [/quote]

Sure, this two were just examples.
I told you what my general opinion about marxism is, and why I think its wrong.

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:4391, topic:27880”]
Yeah your welfare state is working so great, you now have millions of third worlders pouring in and cause mass violence and rape, because you hand out other peoples hard earned cash like candy.

Ohh, and if you actually had to pay for your military, instead of having U.S troops in your nation you wouldn’t be able to blow all your money on social programs.[/quote]

Yes, the German problem is that we can´t deal with our history in a sane way. If it smells just a little bit like Nationalsozialsm its a Taboo. Saying something against Muslims? Must be a Nazi.
Situation is fucked up, I agree.
But what does that have to do with the topic? How does this show that social programs in general do not work? That is a different problem.

Is your logic: “A welfare state does not work, because muslims/mexicans will come and blow it up”?
If this is case, then I assume there are logical solutions for this problem.

about the military: same thing about history. German Soldiers are not praised in public,
but we #7 wen it comes to military budget in the world, very close in budget to the next bigger countries. Only USA is so over the top that everthing else seems to be low.
For which enemy should we enlarge our military budget? Isis? Russia?

And you want to tell me that the USA wants to leave Germany, but they don´t do this because it would harm Germany? Do you know, that the bases in Germany are in American interests too? That Germany is a Hub for the American Military to operate around the world?
The German army is guarding your armerican bases in Germany by the way, so you could put more of your own menpower to fuck up the situation in Iraq. I know it, I was there 2003 when I was on duty. In Kaiserlautern, Germany… not in Iraq.

Or let me answer in the voice of my Grandfather: how dare you complaining about that our army is too small and we have to pay because the US army have to take care for our interests. We had a pretty great army and using them to our interests. But you bombed it! What do you want? Make up your mind.
…But this a different story…

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:4391, topic:27880”]
Yeah, in the U.S we believe in treating adults like adults, not like children, like you clearly do in Europe. You are hired to do a job, and you are paid to do said job. Why in gods name you think an employer should have to pay you while you are providing him no value in return is ludicrous. Your welfare state clearly doesn’t end with your government, you fuck business in the ass too, which is probably why the U.S is still a sought after destination for people seeking to create businesses while Germany is not.

If a women wants to get pregnant have a baby that’s a conscious choice she made, not the employers, so why should the employer be paying for her choices? Same principle can apply to health care, if i am healthy and live a healthy life style, why should i pay for someone who smoked their whole life?[/quote]

Sure a running economy is very important to have a good working state. This rules are helpful to keep up the healthiness of the people in a country, the same as occupational safety regulations. Or should we skip them too. Let a staff member just sign a paper that it is not guild of his company and that his own responsibility to avoid acidents while working in a 1800 London scenario?

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:4391, topic:27880”]
You do not have free education, you are taxed out the ass. And considering nine of the top ten universities in the world are in the U.S, i’d say “free” education has not worked well for you.[/quote]

Sure it is taxed but thats fine. I like to pay taxes for it.

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:4391, topic:27880”]
You mean Feudalism where everything is controlled, and owned by the government? Seems to be what you’re advocating for not me. [/quote]

Oh yes, sure. When the government is the one who do have the money. You already have this strange dynasties in the US, the Clintons, the Bushes.

Sorry that I stop to answer here, but I am very tired, it is the middle of the night, and it took already longer than expected…

#4393

That weird moment when the Czech Communist Party officially pledges support for the ammendment to Constitution that should safeguard the right to be armed against the EU law infringments.

http://www.halonoviny.cz/articles/view/45327532

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#4394
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#4395

@TheDivineInfidel

A new series following training program of prospective Czech soldiers. So far only Episode 1 out.

http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/porady/11179134780-provedu-prijimac/

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#4396

I have already introduced you to the leader of the most xenophobic party in the Czech Parliament, Mr. Tomio Okamura.
http://www.tomio.cz/fotogalerie-soubory/lg_tomio1.jpg

Now, his brother, Hayato Okamura is running for the most “conservative” party, the “Christian Democrats”, and wants to promote traditional Czech values as he opposes the extremist views of his brother.

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#4397

I bet they are quite popular in your country.

#4398

No you missed my point. Europe spends a disproportionate amount of money on social programs. Europe nations get away with paying almost nothing for their military because of their NATO member ship, and in some cases strong U.S troop presence.

Most Americans would likely approve of us leaving Germany.

Oh please, you were part of Iraq too, every NATO member was. Those bases in Germany kept the big bad russkies from invading you during the entirety of the cold war.

If you want to say U.S using them to project our power in Iraq is anywhere near the level of commitment we showed Western Europe for 70 years, be my guest.

You know damn well Germany would have to beef up its defence spending, if the U.S pulled out its troops, and left NATO.

You could definitely lose a lot of those regulations. Most are simply put there, because big business lobbied to have them to kill off their competition.

What are you even talking about?

So you admit you don’t have “free” anything then? And what about all the people who don’t want to pay for it? Why should they be forced.

I’m not an anarchist, and i wouldn’t abolish all taxes, but if you truly want a free society, low taxes are the best thing to advocate for.

And again it just falls back on Europe being a nanny state. You don’t think grown ups are responsible enough to buy their own things so you have the government force them to do it.

So you’re saying because Americans democratically elect people who had family members that were politicians, we’re some how a feudal society?

Government run education in New Germanstan is clearly wonderful. Government controls everything in your country, education, health care, what people can and cannot say. And yet you some how think this is freedom, because you don’t have to directly pay for your medical bills.

If anyone is living under Feudalism, it is you.

Really? Then why don’t European countries vastly out strip the U.S economy? Since they have so many more requirements that they slap employers with, like paid maternity leave.

#4399

They are like the Communists in this regard. They have mostly old but determined followers who do participate in the elections. With general turnout between 40-60%, they always get enough votes to get to the parliament (5-10%). With our multiparty system, they then usually become necessary for make up of a government that can rely on majority in the Chamber of Deputies. And with their “practical” approach to politics, they are always ready to strike a deal, no matter whether the main majority party is left or right.

Christian Democratic party mostly gets their votes from old rural voters - farmers. Their main bastion is South Moravia - this was the most Reformed part of the country before re-Catholization, which shows that the Catholic Church and Jesuits put the most effort there and it paid off for them.

Communist party mostly gets votes from old town folk - former factory workers in places that were bastions of heavy industry before 1990.

Both these parties are facing the dying out of their voters base and they are struggling to attract new ones.

#4400

If you discount France, Denmark, Italy, then for the rest of the countries the difference is not that high.

Isn’t Rammstein the main port for Iraq and Afghanistan operations for US? What would you substitute it with? Not like if you could rely on Turkey or any other country in the region.

Not really, they were there primarily to protect from Czechoslovak tank hordes. According to Communist military planning, both Czechoslovak as well as defending US, most German units would be mutually destroyed beyond point of having any strategic importance withing the first 48 hours, Ruskies would be the second wave.

The fall in spending didn’t happen so much because of US presence, but because Russia became irrelevant in the late 90s and there was no clear threat to European NATO states, apart from mutual Greek-Turkish hate which kept spending in both these states higher.

Now we need to start spending more to address the Russian issue, that is clear.

What really worries me is that with Trump changing his view on basically everything since banning Bannon, US will stop pushing the other NATO countries towards 2% spending goal.

You can use this argument to anything government related. Why should a Jehova Witness pay any taxes when large portion of them will be used for military expeditures in direct contradiction with his believes?

#4401

No way that chart is relative to over all GDP of a nation. The U.S spends over a trillion per year on social programs when you combine, medicare, social security, welfare ect. Which is more than the GDP of some of those nations.

You missed the point, most Americans want us out of the middle east, which would mean we would not need bases in Germany to project our power over there.

When i say russkies in reference to the cold war, I’m talking about all eastern block countries. My point is still accurate, U.S troop presence and the knowledge that that would have to clash with us was the only thing keeping the Soviets from pushing further west after ww2.

Talking last ten years or so. European defence spending has been dropping, while cries of “Muh Russia” have been getting louder. The only explanations i can think of for them peddling Russia while not beefing up spending, would be 1 they don’t actually think Russia is a threat, or two they’re confident that our troop presence deters potential Russian expansion.

Worries me as well, all nationalists have pretty much been kicked to the curb in his cabinets, now we have neo con generals, and his daughter and son in law who are hard core Democrats, and pals with many people in the DNC. His weakness when it comes to saying no to his family is going to fuck us in the ass big time when it comes to campaign promises…

False equivalence. Military spending benefits the entire nation mostly by deterrence. It’s not really about beliefs, it’s more practicality and personal responsibility.

Under Obama care, people like me who maintain a healthy life style are forced to pay for things like cancer treatment for someone who smokes 5 packs of ciggerates a day for 20 years, or a fat ass who scarfs down McDonalds for every meal, and has to have a heart transplant.

And what about things like breast pumps, and ultra sounds? Why am i as a guy ( a single one to boot) being forced to buy insurance that covers that?

Plus i already clarified, I’m not some anarchist who believes in not having any taxes. I just believe we should only tax what is needed for the bare minimum to have a functioning society.

#4402

It is comparing percentage of social spending as part of country’s Gdp. Overall number does not make sense when you have USA and CR next to each other in the table.

#4403

Worked well on 9/11.

#4404

9/11 would have never of happened if we hadn’t trained and funded the mujahadeen. Most if not all of our terror problems can be traced to us meddling over there.

We were extremely active in the Middle East pre 9/11.

#4405

Another one down.

#4406

Yep, that’s what I was intending to ask with that sentence.

Still most of those countries are over 20% while the U.S appears to rest at 17. That’s a pretty significant gap when it comes to spending.

Those countries would be dropped back at least 1-2% in social spending if they had to sufficiently fund their military.

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#4408

If you hadn’t trained the mujahadeen the falling apart of the Soviet Union would most probably taken much longer. Hardliners’ failure in Afghanistan paved way for Gorbachev’s success and USSR’s demise.

Well first of all Europe was completely totally destroyed just two generations ago, while US not only avoided material and civilian losses, but also funded most of the Western European reconstruction.

Secondly countries under Soviet control were completely fucked. If not having fucking communist run economy wasn’t enough to brake them down, then running what was essentially wartime economy and wartime military spending was neck breaking. In case of Czechoslovakia - we ran total war economy (something that even Hitler was refusing to implement until late 1944) through most of the 50s and full combat readiness all the way until the regime collapsed - which is why we had the largest army in per capita comparison (if I am not mistaken, that position is now held by North Korea, with the main difference being that we were not 20 years behind the West when it came to military technology).

Last but not least US suffers from extreme wealth disparities. If you discount the top 5 percent earners and the lowest 5 percent earners, the situation of median German, French or British worker may be either on par or better than American.

The primary issue with Germany is that due to the situation in PIIGS countries EURO is extremely undervalued. Germany is earning on misery of people in countries like Greece and Spain.

You could pull every single soldier from Germany. Germany could up their game as regards military spending and they still would have enough money to run whatever they want. As long as the Euro exists and PIIGS push the currency down, Germany will be winning biggly economically.

I don’t know where you came up with that idea. Germany took in several million (over past years) immigrants over the past few years without a sweat (as long as we talk economy and not crime levels - and even if we take this into question you still end up with Germany being much safer than US). Meanwhile entire Trump country is totally fucked.

And all that Trump could come up with is lowering ecological standard for big companies. We had low ecological standards during communism here and we are still paying the price through extremely costly cleanup. It will take another 20 years before most of the country is clean from the pollution left by the communist run industry. You will soon find out that the cost of pollution is much higher than the savings it provides to running the industry. I am actually quite sorry for you in this regard.

Interesting argument, it almost seems like you want to make a case for the NY/California high taxation of unhealthy food, smokes, etc.

#4409

when discussing the cold war …you are the ruskis

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#4410

The same logic cost Germans the war.

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