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#5994

To me too. I want to have more seperation of the Church and the State in Germany.

The church in Germany say, the are important. Without them, there would not be enough hospitals and kindergardens. But they are paid from tax money.
My girlfriend is catholic, but just on paper. For this reason she also pays Church taxes. She works in a youth club, which is runned by the city, where confession doesn´t matter.
But if she would say: “I don´t believe in god, I don´t want to pay church taxes anymore” she would have a problem to work in aroud 2/3 of all day care institutions and similar.

People like her are forced to stay in the church, or it would be difficult for her to get a job.
Sure, she also could have said, “I don´t want to work in the social sector” but if you do, it is important to be a christian in Germany.

This has to stop.

#5995

I thought the government was perfectly capable of providing everyone with good free health care? :wink:

That’s how it is here as well. Only one fifth of Hospitals here are run be the Federal government, we have a lot of Catholic, and Jewish Hospitals.

Are there really so few private sector jobs in Germany, that you’re basically fucked unless you work for the government?

I don’t really see an issue with a religious institution only hiring those who share the faith. But if they’re entirely subsidised by the government that is a different matter.

#5996

Well, there is. Nearly everything is paid with tax money, it is just that 2/3 of the organisations are owned by the church, not because the Church build it on their own, with their own money, the state does it and then give it to the Church.

No, it is just the social sector. Daycare centers, hospitals, youth clubs, stuff like that.
around 2/3 of this is owned by the church or religious institutions, the rest is owned by cities or in rare cases in private hand.
I wouldn´t have problem with the church owning all this stuff, it they would not have special rights in doing so. Every other employer isn´t allowed to discriminate people for their religious beliefes and can´t tell what they have to do in their private live (marriage), but the church can.
And they even do this with tax money, it is not that they run a private business which could go bankrupt.

For schools it is different, they are runned by the cities in order of the federal states.
There are a few private or church schools too, but they don´t have a monopol like in the social sector.

The economy is private of course, as it should be.

#5997

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Most here are privately owned.

This is all very odd given how un religious Europe seems to be. How did these policies survive Communism, and the Third Reich?

Both fucking hated the Papacy, the later actively murdered Christians.

#5998

Germany (West) never was communistic. The Third Reich used the church for it´s own purpose. Back at that time Germany was still much more religious. The Church was not in the way of the Nazis, at least not enough to be a real problem for them, so they didn´t pushed the Church out, but worked together to some extend.
It still comes from the history of the Holy Roman Empire. The Church was always more powerful in Germany compared to other European states. 3 of the 7 prince electors in the Empire, who were allowed to vote for the Emperor were arch bishofs by the church, and huge parts of the countryside where owned by the church directly, and not by the nobility (in My area this changed a bit in 1288, I was talking about it in question 21 of my Weekly Torch).
East Germany was basically overthrown by west Germany after the reunification. East Germany is basically free of Religion, which indeed is part of the communistic heritage. The most religious region in Germany is Bavaria in the south, where it still matters in the society and people go to Church. In the west of Germany religion is more of a private thing, and nobody cares.

#5999
#6000

@SirWarriant You will love this one , im sure you are already packing your bags to freedom france .

The government also wants to create “on-demand” bus stops in the evening for women to get home safely

its called a fucking taxi .

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#6001

Wow. Just wow.

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#6002

I was in France for the first time in 2010. We went to Sacre Coeur with my friend - Norwegian, 24, blond, short summer dress. Absolutely gorgeous.

The amount of whistling, comments, shouts, sex proposals, rape threats we got just on the stairs leading up to the church - absolutely unbelievable. EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. From at least three dozen motherfuckers. I’ve never even imagined something like that could be possible outside of realm of post-apocalyptic horror movies.

I don’t know much about this proposal, but my or @SirWarriant understanding of verbal abuse of women is not on par with anything women undergo daily in France. Possibly also London given that the suspects have similar background?

#6003

I have personally never seen a hospital that bad however that was filmed in Blackburn which is a very poor overcrowded area . So it wouldnt surprise me .

These are the issues we face when we have insane immigration figures and not the money to spend on infrastructure to keep up .

#6004

no certainly not in my experience . People in London avoid all eye contact with strangers let alone cat call :smile:

that all being said , personally i have only ever been to the south of France as my aunt lives there and paris ive always seen as a bit of a dump so has never appealed to me+ i dont like the french :wink: . i didnt experience this with my missus at all . However that aside to criminalise such things to me is insane and a complete infringement of the freedoms in law in the west .

I have no problems with campaigns shunning such behaviour but legislating against it for me is unacceptable

#6005

U.S politicians
"we need the government to do health care, because it works swell in the U.K"

A lot of the horror stories out of British health care sound similar to the VA here, which is run by the government.

#6006

Ive never even heard catcalling go on in public in my life. Occasionally you’ll get some creepy old trucker saying something to one of my co workers, but nothing along the lines of what you just described.

I’d place money on Macron making it illegal to simply insult women, since he’s an SJW.

I agree, but if they are openly making rape threats, that is no longer classified under free speech, at least not here. Repeatedly yelling sexual comments (even non rapey ones) at someone might be able to get you into trouble, especially if they made it clear they didn’t want you to. But I’m not totally sure.

Maybe they could stop importing people from actual rape cultures? Just a thought.

#6007

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How are these idiots spending 600 dollars a month on coffee and gas?

I drive around 80-100 miles per day and only spend around 40-60 dollars on gas each month.

A large tin of coffee costs only 5 bucks, and that would last 5 people two weeks. I’m sure they’re both rabid socialists as well.

#6008

Somehow in the video it seemed that immigrants are mostly part of staff, not on the receiving side.

#6009

In germany it is possible to get of the bus between two stations after 9pm, at least in my area. But not only for women, but for everyone.

Mabye this Bus on demand is something similar. Where you can call to a service number like half an hour in prior and then you can get picked up somewhere between two bus stations, on the regular route?

@SirWarriant gas price in my area in germany is 6,31$ per Gallon right now.
What do you pay over there?

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#6010

About 1.50$ per gallon.

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#6011

I think it is going to an end with germany. An old man in Düsseldorf, my hometown, was accused to sit on a bench for 7 minutes. The problem, the bench was the bench of a bus stop, and he was not taking the bus, so he had to pay a fine of 35€

There was a huge shitstorm in local and social media about it. Now he doesn´t need to pay the fine anymore, because he has alzheimer and didn´t knew what he did, but otherwise… sitting at a bus stop without taking the bus can cost you 35€

I feel ashamed that this happened.

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#6012

I think fining people for sitting on bus benches is the least of your problems to be honest. You see things like this happening all over Europe. Cops nailing people for stupid things, and you would think this indicates a lack of serious crime, but unfortunately that’s not the case.

#6013

Thats completely true

But they are not real cops, they are “Ordnungsamt” which is the office of order.
They don´t drive cars with sirens, they don´t have guns. They take care about small crimes, which are not considered as real crimes in germany. If you let your dog shit on the street and don´t pick it up, if you drive with your bike on the sidewalk, if you dance on a day when it isn´t allowed, if you park on a wrong spot, if you play soccer on a space where it isn´t allowed, if you walk your dog without a leash where you have to use one, if you beg for money in the streets.
They are not expensive, in fact, the generate money for the city. If there is a real case of crime, they call the cops.

The law to not sit on a bench of a bus stop is there to prevent that some hobos use this bench as a livingroom.

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