Troll cave II

At least the Soviet Union was honest about it :smile:

The question is what will come AFTERWARDS.

If UK goes out all the way, then yes, they will have more independence.

If they go halfway on par with today’s status of Norway or Switzerland, then they are fucked. Norway and Switzerland are bound by most EU legislation without sitting at the table when it is being created. That’s the price they have to pay for unrestricted access to EU market while preserving “independence”.

Which will be quite interesting as regards Switzerland if the EU gun ban passes.

There is no EU army. There is no serious proposal for one on the table as of yet. There are EU battle groups which consist of soldiers of neighboring countries (for example there is one consisting of Polish, Czech and Slovak troops, or one of German and Danish troops).

They cannot enter other country without that country’s consent.

So why the fuck does EU law have an explicit mechanism that deals with the process of a country leaving the Union?

Remember what happened last time a few US states tried to leave your Union?

@thedivineinfidel I understand UK leaving EU. I think that there will be a very strong push for Czexit if the EU gun ban passes too (I could not imagine the kind of outcry it causes here even in my wildest pro-gun dreams).

What I fail to understand is why the main topic of Brexit is immigration when 50% of your immigrants are from non-EU countries? Why does anyone think there is direct causality with EU membership when your politicians leave basically all gates open for anyone from anywhere, notwithstanding if EU or not?

Its funny that the Bernie supporters only assault and mob Trump supporters in cities where CC is banned.

Really? Ive heard almost the exact opposite about this countries.

I nor the video never claimed there was one, its a hypothetical situation.

It’s irrelevant weather they have consent or not, one of the main points of the video is that an EU army could easily be used to suppress other countries and prevent them from leaving. That’s like saying you need consent to rape someone.

Completely absurd comparison. Those states and the citizens in them had full representation in Washington, the average brit has no say about who;s in charge in Brussels.Furthermore those states were U.S sovereign territory and its people and leaders swore allegiance to the United States, and the cherry on top they shelled Fort Sumpter which was legal U.S property.

The EU is not a country the U.S is, if each U.S state had its own congress, president ect. Which then was answerable to the Federal government in which the people had no control over.

He says “they created the situation by calling Trump a racist” and then he goes calling them “fashit cunts”

Answering insult with an insult… seems logical

If he wants to make a valid point he should left out all the “fucks” and behave like a decent person. That way he might convince more people.

Are you implying that Trump is a racist, if so please provide evidence of his racist remarks.

Hes insulting people who are beating the shit out of people for simply having different views than them, i think cunts is too light of a word to describe them.

Not sure why you need him to convince you anyway, just look at the footage.

If the swearing really bothers you.

Here is a more “professional” video.

@snejdarek @TheDivineInfidel

Would your nation deport illegals if they were beating people up in public like this?

Disgusting people. "My morality is so much higher than yours that I have the right to be violent against you."
No guys… just no. This is not how you convince people. Violating people for having another opinion than you is not liberal at all. It is just authoritarian and rude behavior. Hypocrites.

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There is concept I learned from eastern philosophy (Buddhism or Tao Te Ching or potentially both) and that’s we create our own opposition.

Do you have more details about it?

Ill keep looking for a better example the quickest one I can pull up is from the Tao Te Ching.

The generals have a saying:
"Rather than make the first move
it is better to wait and see.
Rather than advance an inch
it is better to retreat a yard."

This is called
going forward without advancing,
pushing back without using weapons.

There is no greater misfortune
than underestimating your enemy.
Underestimating your enemy
means thinking that he is evil.
Thus you destroy your three treasures
and become an enemy yourself.

When two great forces oppose each other,
the victory will go
to the one that knows how to yield.

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Yeah, let’s forget that member of parliament are voted in.

Let’s forget that members of council mirror the members of national governments.

Let’s forget that members of commission are de facto appointed by national governments and approved by the parliament.

Sure, sure, it is a dictatorship.

That’s not democracy .

Can we remove the presidents of the EU ? No
Can we remove members of the commission ? No

It’s not democratic don’t defend it . Makes me sick that anyone could stand there and say Officals who are not directly elected by the people and held accountable by the people , who may not be removed by the people are in any shape or form democratic .

The closest comparable system is fucking China

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those are two quotes from the video.
I am pointing out his hipocrisy. At one hand he is criticizing “liberal side” of calling Trump names. At the other hand he is calling the “liberal side” names.

i dont need him to convince me of anything. I am simply pointing out that being polite or neutral might add to his message.[quote=“SirWarriant, post:707, topic:27880”]
Would your nation deport illegals if they were beating people up in public like this?
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I believe so.
But in USA you are all fucked up in the head.

didnt read much from him but what I read I realy liked.

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I watched the whole video, i am bit disgusted, I must say, at what is allowed to happen in US.
But I was also disturbed by the end of the video almost as if he was making a political speech to make people vote for him.

Even though I found a lot of things he said agreeable the whole ending “we will be unstoppable” makes me thing that this all could go wrong way.
Because if he gains lot of supporters it is safe to say that many of them wont be much inteligent too, it all could end up with another lynching mob going after hyspanics, blacks etc…
We could be looking at a start of pogroms, concentration camps and america could really turn into fascist country.
Though that might be taking it bit too far.

Anyway he claims he wants to solve this problem, but he offers no solution in the video.
does he thing that US should find a better way to help these people? or does he think that they all (even the fourth generation) should be deported? or does he think it would be best to kill them all?
He does not say.
Therefore I have hard time to “side” with him, because even though he sees the problem I have no idea what he would want to do with it.

Also “there are no white racists” smells like a bullshit to me. .

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Let’s back up here, in what way has anything Trump or the man in video said lead to Lynch mobs or concentration camps? The “Racist Trump” is complete bullshit, and a product of the media out right lying about what the man has said.

Where is any of this coming from??? Who is suggesting that legal citizens be deported??? Who is suggesting they be killed???

He’s not even American, so he isn’t trying to “fix” America just present people with accurate information, which for the most part he does well.

I did not hear him say that anywhere in the video. And speaking from experience whites are by FAR the least racist people. It’s mainly due to them being the only ones ever called out on it. The west which is mostly populated by whites is the least racist place on the planet.

I never claimed it to be a dictator ship but it sounds very undemocratic especially if you take into consideration the information @TheDivineInfidel provided below. You tried to say the U.S was just like which is nonsense.

Just spent a nice 4 hour long visit at the ER after i had to take my mother in for what appeared to be appendicitis. Turns out it was a reaction to some of the anti botics that were subscribed to her by another doctor. :+1:

He starts with hispanic lynching mob, then continues to point out that hispanics have lower IQ, implying that they are somewhat inferior to whites.
Now as I said, if more unthinking people starts to listen to him, all they are gonna hear is exactly what I said that hispanics are inferior. And that even fourth generation are usless twats.
It would be just a matter of time when angry mob is going through streets attacking every hispanian they see.

he said (time: 33:18) “i really want to solve these problems”, yet he offered no solution of what he thinks should happen. So what I was getting at by those tree options (help/deport/kill) is that I have no idea where he stands.

Anyway those were hypothetical questions, i did not say that anyone suggested it.

time: 34:35

“I no longer believe that white people are racist”