Troll cave II

This is really no suprise for me. I know I am left libertarian pretty well, and I know that I am more libertarian than left.
I would rather aline with a right libertarian than with a left authoritarian. But most far away from my personal opinions are right authoritarians for sure.

But it is really interesting, that many leftists are also libertarian while many right wingers are authoritarians.
There is a correlation between this two, but it is always important that you know that this are two axes, not one.

Will my soul never finds the right place?

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I think it really just depends on the country in which you live. In the U.S right wing tends to mean you favour smaller government, lower taxes, free market capitalism, little to no social programs, ect while left wing means larger government which is the opposite of what Libertarians in the U.S stand for.

In Europe it seems like both sides favour big government and social programs but i could be wrong. I’m literally the polar opposite of an authoritarian in the U.S, so this test isn’t accurate in showing your political compass.

I am not so sure about this one. What is about the personal freedom of choice? Abortion? Marijuana?

And what is about the biggest part of the government? The military? Does the political right want to cut the military while the left wants to make it stronger?

Well, I just disagree.

Well again, based off your views, and this test Libertarian has a different meaning in the U.S than it does in Europe. I favour limited government, low taxes, little to no social programs, very free market ect, while having more socially liberal views. I tried reflect those beliefs which are Libertarian in the U.S, in the test, but i still got some what close to authoritarian.

Libertarians in the U.S follow very closely to what the founding fathers believed, which was isolationism and an more an emphasis on militias than strong military. For instance i think our military should be mostly used for defence, so i don’t approve of our overseas bases, membership in NATO, and our pledges to protect our smaller allies, this would make me a Libertarian in the U.S.

The left generally likes to cut the military to shreds, but then uses it constantly in overseas conflicts, which means they send our troops in war under trained and under equipped, examples being Korea, Vietnam, world war 1. The right goes into conflicts as well (many under the Reagan administration) and then there are both the Bushes, but they at least keep the military well prepared for those conflicts.

So i would say both like a strong military, but the left in the U.S always makes major military cuts, then after it gets involved in a conflict, they generally raise the budget.

Well i’d like to repeat, left and right clearly has a different meaning in Europe then it does in the U.S.

DonĀ“t conviced me at all…

Well i don’t know what to say then, I’m considered very Libertarian by U.S standards, but that test has me on the border of Authoritarian and Libertarian. The test was made by British people, so it’s obviously using British/European standards to judge your political compass. I’m willing to bet if the test was made by Americans, my dot would be in the bottom right hand corner.

Does anyone else get what I’m saying? Am i making any sense?

I’m willing to bet you favour higher taxes, lots of social programs, bigger government, which would be completely un libertarian in the U.S.

I don“t know about the taxes in the us. I would say different, not higher taxes, more taxes to richer people, but don“t be unfair to them. Bigger government, not concrete. Again, just different. I would cut military spedings and I would do more social programs. Like free basic health care or free universities.
Right now the US health care system is fucked up. It is more expensive than the european ones, but way less effective.
I am also for some different Media model. The english model with its BBC is not so bad.
If you combine media with money interest only, your system is not democratic anymore, because you only have a freedom of choice if you know what your choice is. For this reason the USA in my opinion is not a democratic country.
But we have also a lot of democratic deficits here in europe.

I think I get it.
Here in yurope it is basically left = libertarian and right = conservative
In the U.S. it is bit (a lot) different.

Based on this comment, it’s even more different than i originally thought. Libertarians in the U.S is generally someone who is fiscally conservative (low taxes, small government, little to no social programs) and socially liberal ( meaning little government involvement in peoples lives, so legalised drugs, low gun control, gays, ect).

Ive seen absolutely zero evidence to show that U.S healthcare is worse than Europe’s. The U.S health care is private for the most part, and yes it can be pricey but you certainly get what you pay for. We don’t have people waiting for months on end for treatment like the U.K, and Canadians which have government provided health care will come to the U.S for treatment if they can afford it, because like education the private sector is higher quality.

Also the idea that most Americans don’t have health insurance is bullshit, that statistics includes illegal immigrants, when you only include legal citizens the number of uninsured people is quite low.

Also we the U.S already spends far more money on social programs than military.

You mean the biased BBC? The same one Brits are REQUIRED to pay a tax to? The news in the U.S is biased yes, but they aren’t getting money from the citizens, they are private companies and there fore you cannot stop them from being biased, if you were to try and do that, you would have nothing short of censorship.

Considering i actually vote for the people making my laws, i would say the U.S is far more democratic than most of Europe, talking about the EU here. :wink: You’re pretty much trying to say that the U.S isn’t democratic because private companies have political biases.
Based on your views, you wouldn’t really be seen as a libertarian in the U.S.

Well there’s a suprise :smile: I’m a Thatcherite

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I expected you to be in the bottom left hand corner.

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Around 40.000 dead people a year because they can not afford basic health care. And getting bankrupt because of medical bills is reason number 1 in the US of getting bankrupt. Seems like strong evidence to me.

Okay, true. I was looking on a probably biased chart:

Seems they left some social programs out:

So point for you. I still believe that the US military spendings are to high and that you can make way more out of it if you redistribute it.

We can talk about the content here of course. But leaving all bias to money is not the solution.

True statement indeed, agree. Never doubt this one. We have a lot of democratic problems here in the EU too, but this does not make your country democratic problems any less democratic problems. I don“t want to make a competition here. In some topics the US is more developet than other countries, in other topics it is less developed.

Also I want to say that most of this values makes me a leftist, and not a liberal. In fact, this values are contrary to my liberal values. And I assume same happened to you, that your right values are going contrary to your liberal values sometimes, and for this reason you are far less liberal then you think.

Donald Trump. I suppose I’ll explain my political leanings a bit more. I’m pro-free market, and I want a low flat tax for everyone, but I’m authoritarian because we should be hard on the crimes that matter ( The heinous or degenerate crimes, stupid things like jaywalking shouldn’t be a crime at all), and we should have an indomitable defense (real defense, not they way the word is used now, which means meddling in third-world countries, I want strong borders and homeland security).

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You are aware that Communism and Socialism are both far-left and far-authoritarian, right? And they are also responsible for more deaths than any right-wing government? You have to be joking me if you think Marxism, the forced redistribution of individuals’ private property, is right-wing.

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Do you favor isolationism?

Lol. the way these quizes usually works is either you agree or disagree.

the way it really gets tallied is.

Strongly Disagree = NO FUCKING WAY
Disagree = Id vote against this
Agree = Id vote in favor of this
Strongly Agree = THIS IS THE ONLY FUCKING WAY

No this is completely right, this is all very left. But the left-authoritarians were not the most common ones, but the most stronges ones, because they are authoritarians.

One big problem about left liberal people is, that they don“t fight left authoritarians as they fight against the right wing.
They are very loud if it comes to right wing issues, but silent if it comes to left wing authoritarian issues.
But as I already said, I would rather aligne with a right wing libertarian than with a left wing authoritarian. This communists are dangerous, but yes, they are also left wing.

Yes, all countries should avoid stuffing their noses where they don’t belong.

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