Oh… I see.
I have over 3k posts just in troll cave 1 alone, and it lists me as having only 1.4k so it’s impossible that it shows the cave stats as well.
The post count is broken remember, we had issues with that in the troll cave becuase of deleted posts.
The read time is still correct and accounts for those posts.
No I’m talking about an actual interview, where the press were asking him about nuclear weapons, and they tried to say he wanted to “Nuke Chicago”. All he said was “i wont take nuclear option off the table” and why people see that as a problem is beyond me, like i said above any leader who shows a lack of willingness to use nuclear weapons threatens global stability because you paint a giant target on the back of your countries head.
Those people in the middle ages told bullshit information, because they had no info to tell to begin with, so that is not a valid argument in favor of “torture doesn’t work”. Also i don’t believe torturing witches was a practice in the middle ages, that happened more in the 15th and 17th centuries.
Meh, if someone blows up civies, i could care less if they get water boarded for punishment.
Um excuse me? Who’s administration decided to kill Gadffi and arm rebels in Libya who then went on to join ISIS? Who is actively fighting Assad in Syria, even though the Syrian army is the main force combating ISIS?
Obama loves to whine and cry that he was handed a mess with Iraq, well boo fucking hoo, he knew damn well what he was getting when he decided to run for president, and he managed to botch it the fuck up.
Bush was a moron for many reasons including the invasion of Iraq, but to say Obama isn’t to blame for the current situation is absurd. He destabilized two countries, and had a huge part in fucking up Iraq because he left prematurely despite his generals warning him not to.
Let’s also throw in the fact that Obama has done virtually nothing to combat ISIS, and he continues to arm rebels who are in league with ISIS. Hilary is just as much to blame for all of this being in Obamas cabinet.
By the beginning as in when the invasion started in 2003.
Obama was being advised by his generals not to leave Iraq with such a weak force and he ignored them, Trump had the same info as the rest of the public, which was “Iraq is stable now”.
Also according to your quotes Trump was in favor of leaving Iraq with a decent number of troops, something Obama did not do.
Obama continued with the patriot act, and the NSA wire tapping and mass surveillance, he is just as much to blame as Bush . What kind of pro Obama propaganda do you guys get fed over there? You seem to think of him as some anti war anti authoritarian president when in reality he is just as bad as all the others.
Hilary is far more authoritarian than Trump is, and neither of them are on the level of Mussolini.
So wanting your country to be strong and prosperous makes you a Facist dictator? Do you want a leader who hates his country and wants it to be shit? Trump is an isolationist, which would mean a far smaller U.S military presence over seas, Hilary wants a stronger one so if anyone is like Mussolini in this regard it is her.
This whole “the candidate i don’t like is a fascist dictator” bullshit get’s really annoying, and very immature so can we leave that out of this conversation please?
The likes aren’t correct either though.
Great, I was not talking about this, and I would not blame him for this either. This was not my point.
I said why I think torture is the wrong way. My reason was not that I cared for this people, but that it is a bad strategical decision, that it gives a lot of invalid data and that we have a lot of people who are the wrong guys.
True, but neither is Syria nor Libya Iraq. Yes, Obama did a lot of wrong fuckery here and armed the wrong people.
Good point and I know about this one. I blame Obama about this one too, He actively helped ISIS here to get stronger.
Another thing I agree with you.
No, but if you need to compensate your low self-confidence, it is a step in this direction.
I said there are similarities between him and Mussolini and there are pretty strong ones.
There are also differences, like that Trump is an isolationist. I have not seen this one before, but that might be true.
Your point was that he would start a nuclear war, and there is absolutely zero evidence pointing towards that direction.
That was due to the patriot act, the government was allowed to torture anyone without trying them first, which is wrong and the practice is “officially” discontinued. How else will you be able to obtain information from these people, when getting the info could save lives? Ask nicely?
Sorry i certainly don’t agree that Trump of all people have low self confidence, if anything his confidence is too high. 
If you wanted to nit pick and take enough time, you could compile similarities between any politician an Mussolini. I’m willing to bet there are more similarities between Hilary and Mussolini than Trump and Mussolini.
Comparing any western politician to people like Mussolini and Hitler is retarded, and just goes to show people know absolutely nothing about history.
similar thing happened here with Jeremy corbyn (left wing opposition leader ) he came out and said he would never use nuclear weapons . now for the alternative prime minster too say that was huge .
naturally the military here went nuts because in that simple sentence he had undermined the entire British nuclear deterrent .
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Yeah, his response was completely reasonable, and of course the media doesn’t talk about how Hilary said she wouldn’t hesitate to nuke Iran. She is the loose cannon here not him, she threatened military action against any nation accused of hacking the U.S, which I’m sure is something most nations with the capability have done at one point.
the most effective interrogation technique will surprise you . it works wonders let me explain it .
prisoner arrives . he will for a number of hours be put in all kinds of stress positions desgined to cause a lot of pain without really doing alot of damage . (water boarding used to be one of these but not anymore ) so simple things like stand with your arms straight holding a chair for an hour …or more .
blind folded , thrown into a corner and screamed at by 3 men . mask taken off and screamed at , covered in spit . horrible experience , and every so often taken to be asked a series of questions , this is all designed to break you down . not actually extract any solid info for the reasons @DrFusselpulli mentions .
then a few days later possibly more . of not a lot of sleep and constant abuse and discomfort . the prisoner is sat down at a table normally with an older woman with a kind and caring voice . A bit like your nan . she will offer you food and drink and she will care for you . as she brings you into this sense of safety she will be talking to you asking small questions . "whats your name then dear " things like this slowly building an almost trust while all the time bleeding you for information . and after a while the interrogators will know everything they need to because for some fucked up reason .
people trust old kind people enough to tell them fucking anything
it works in most cases . its so fucking effective its a joke . thats also what fails a lot of Special forces guys because they give to much info up to the old woman at the end . funny as hell to see .
What ever works effectively. But i have zero pity to waste on some shit bag who thinks it’s okay to cut peoples heads off and bomb schools, so if they are water boarded i could care less honestly. Obama is far too soft with people like this, he does prisoner exchanges with them, which goes against U.S policy dating back to 1810.
the aim of interrogation is not to hurt someone its first and foremost to extract information . not to get revenge
Which is why i said what ever works effectively, and if they happen to get hurt in the process i couldn’t care less. Did the allies treat captured SS troops nicely in ww2? No often times they were shot on sight, and tortured, and why we should show better treatment towards ISIS members who are just as bad is beyond me.
the advance of science and general experience have shown us that the techniques used before were really shit and didnt exactly get what we wanted from the individual .
the largest difference is . you are comparing two completely different situations . ISIS operate in terror cells . these terror cells are often split up and come together to carry out and plan attacks . removing a single member of that cell does very little .
Therefore we need to wipe out the entire cell to stop an attack . how do you find the rest of the cell when they could be literally anyone ? these cells are not stupid they dont exactly just phone each other . they often meet in person or via drop points etc so the need for that human intelligence through informants in the cells . surveillance and getting one to talk is fucking essential .
if you just beat the guy to death you are in fact condemning innocent people to death . your failure to extract information has just meant the difference between that plane hitting the building and 3,000 mothers , fathers , brothers and children being killed or that plane not hitting the building at all .
the stakes are fucking high . so if it means it takes a few packs of jaffa cakes and a cup of tea to get the guy to talk then you give the cunt some fucking jaffa cakes . then when you have what you need , lock emm up and throw away the key
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I’m not debating the validity of your interrogation techniques. I’m simply saying if they extract information from a terrorist in a less than pleasant way and it saves lives or thwarts a plot i won’t be heart broken if the guy gets hurt. The media was calling Trump a terrible person for saying he wouldn’t have an issue water boarding or doing " a hell of a lot worse" if it meant stopping ISIS.
I’ll take your word for it, but I’m slightly skeptical on this, most of the whole “torture” doesn’t work argument was based on the fact that the guys being held in Guantanamo bay weren’t giving valid intel. But those guys had nothing to say to begin with, they weren’t terrorists, and due to the patriot they weren’t tried and were thrown in there on the flimsiest of evidence.
i agree if it actually worked but it doesnt .
Well i just finished watching the first debate between Trump and Hilary. I feel that Trump did win, but not by much. He did not hammer hard enough on the points he should have like her role in fucking up the middle east, and email scandal.
I felt like most of the debate was him defending himself, which he did well, but he did not go after her enough, it certainly did not help that the moderator was biased towards her. He was far too nice this debate, and being nice did not win him the Republican nominee.
I have watched most of it and it was surprisingly mild.
I kinda have a feeling that Clinton was taking the higher moral ground and therefore looked more composed.
Also I think the issue with taxes is kinda fishy, all he says is that he will eventually release it, but does not explain why not now (only that it is against advice of his lawyers)
But Clintons “excuse” of deleting 30,000 emails was maybe even worse… she used her personal e-mail, ok that could be taken as an honest mistake with both ears plugged, but that still does not explain why she deleted them.
But I have no idea who “won” this debate. Probably no one.
Am I just owned by my own moderators? 
But yes, @Blacksmith is may right here, and I was one of the evil villains in this case too… 
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