so you are denying trump ever proposed a total ban on Muslim immigration ?
Absolutely not, Iâm denying that he ever said " I want to ban all Muslims" which is the wording you used in your original statement.
Anyway i really have to go, so ill respond to your guys posts later.
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9/11 was an inside job, silly.
Didnât you hear? Jet fuel canât melt steel beams
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This made me just laugh my ass off, especially since Trumps campaign slogan is âMake America great againâ, and Hillarys is âIâm with herâ. So you have your self confused there.
She defended a child rapists in 1973, and was joking about the whole thing on video laughing about how he passed the lie detector test. Iâll find the video for you if you want. Clearly she is not someone who has guilt.
I suggest you look into some none left wing sources for this,
No he wont, i already debunked this so Iâm not going over this again. Hillary has repeatedly threatened Iran for over 20 years, saying she hopes they know she would nuke them without hesitation, this is all on video, just ask and i will find it.
I was actually watching the debate when he said this. He did not suggest killing the families, he said capturing the terrorists families to get them to cooperate, and if they were aiding their terrorist family then they too should be considered terrorists.
Torture has been used for literally thousands of years, and only recently has our special snowflake society deemed it morally wrong to torture people who are responsible for killing civilians in mass attacks. [quote=âDrFusselpulli, post:1816, topic:27880â]
Okay, fine. Lets do this all, but what is Isis is doing wrong? If this is legitimate warfare, why are we mad if they suicide bomb themselfs in Brussels, or flight planes in the World Trade Center in the US. If you think this is fine, then this was never an act of terror, but a legitimate military target. Perfect, now it will be more easy for ISIS to find new terrorists who will be willing to join.
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Lol okay, so bombing civilians is the same as torturing terrorist now? You have interesting reasoning.
Wrong again my friend, he was against Iraq pretty much from the beginning, unlike Clinton who whole heartedly supported it. She also oversaw the overthrow of Gaddafi which plunged the region into further chaos, and was one of Obamas top advisors when we prematurely withdrew from Iraq. She supports Obamas wild drone strikes which often kill civilians, and she is a strong supporter of helping to destabilized Syria. So she has the blood of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people on her hands, and the fact that people ignore that is disgusting.
Iâll have to do further research into this area, itâs probably twisted and spun like most things hes accused of saying, if he did say this, then that is wrong. How ever this pales in comparison to how anti Free speech Hilary is. She supports safe spaces on collages, hate speech laws, she said that alt right media outlets have no right to exist.
So yeah Hilary is a million times worse than Trump is on Free speech.
Trump originally proposed a temporary ban on Muslim immigration to the U.S until we had a proper vetting system. Your poor knowledge of the U.S constitution has lead you to believe that this is against it, when it is not. Non U.S citizens are not covered by the bill of rights, and many presidents in the past have banned certain groups from immigrating to this nation.
Yes, thatâs exactly what heâll fucking do. Are you serious right now? Youâre trying to paint the man as a war mongerer, when there is literally zero indication he is, the man is an Isolationist for gods sake. He has spoken about warming up relations with Russia, while Hilary Clinton has said she would use military action against them, and any nation accused of hacking the U.S.
This is what happens when you donât do proper research, and get heavy left wing propaganda as news. Hilary Clinton is a Neo con warmonger has ACTUALLY STARTED WARS, and Trump gets painted as the loose cannon? Seriously?
It is a well documented fact that Belgium has a Muslim ghetto problem, and no go zones do indeed exist.
Even if everything you said was true in this post (Iâm not accusing you of lying, just being misinformed) Trump would still be no where near the level of Hilary Clinton, end of. She has been a career criminal for over 40 years, helped instigated wars, has had people murdered who cross her, the Clinton foundation stole millions of dollars from the Haitian relief fund, (btw Haitians still protest outside the Clinton foundation building in New York city) her and Bill Clinton actually stole paintings from the fucking white house before her husbands term was up( he had to leave office early because he was impeached for lying to the supreme court).
Trump is certainly not perfect, he wasnât even my first choice for president, but he is absolutely no where near the level of Hilary Clinton, and anyone who thinks he is are simply ignorant or stupid, or watching too much left wing propaganda i donât believe you to be stupid, i just think youâre misinformed, which is unsurprising considering almost every major news outlet and âcomedy showâ runs pro Hilary propaganda constantly.
I donât buy this for one minute, ill have to look into, so iâll respond to this point later.
@SirWarriant fyi Belgium si not a city but a country, I guess that is what @DrFusselpulli was getting at.
Iâm well aware Belgium is a country, and my statement stands, it is a well documented fact that they are muslim no go ghettos in the larger cities there. Trump was bringing this up after 30 some people were blown up in Brussels.
The media canât actually get any real dirt on trump, so they go after tiny things like him mispeaking. Why donât we talk about how Hilary called the New York bombing, a bombing, and then said Trump was disgusting for calling it a bombing.
Or we could talk about how Hilary was asked if she wiped 30,000 private emails from her server (which she did), after the FBI told her to hand them over, and she answered with âWipe it as in with a cloth to clean it?â, but that isnât mispeaking that is out right lying, and lying during a criminal investigation to boot, why the old witch isnât behind bars right now just goes to show how corrupt the U.S has become.
But you know Trump got a country and a city mixed up, so he is Adolf Hitler incarnate.
well, did he, though? Or he just didnt knew the hell what he is talking about?
why? How is that relevant?
I kinda feel like you just cannot imagine someone hating Trump and Hillary both⌠for you there is only Trump or Hillary, black and white. Who does not support my candidate supports the other.
So⌠why should we talk about Hillary?
He has events and rallies constantly, he is constantly campaigning, probably a little tired, so yeah i wouldnât say itâs that far fetched to assume he made a mistake.
You obviously didnât read the conversation comrade, @DrFusselpulli said Hilary is the lesser of two evils, and used Trump mistaking Belgium for a city as evidence for that.
i did read that, all i did was explain to you what Dr. was getting at.
You just assumed that I have same opinions as our dear community manager here.
But yet again it seems that you can comprehend only two sides, yours and the other. But I am not sanding on neither.
Fine. Hillary is shitty, get it. If your opinion is that she is worse than Trump, fine. Legit and reasonable, I can understand it and live with that.
I still believe that she is more a strategic thinker than trump, and therefore less dangerous than him, because she would not do some stupid stuff. I don´t doubt that she has a lot of criminal energy, so she will indeed fuck things up.
Okay, I have watched the video. Nice to see him argue about the judge and the lawsuit. But I am still not doubting about that Trump University was a kind of fraud. It seems that is not even the topic of the video. It seems that even Stefan Molyneux is believing that Trump did something wrong here, as he isn´t saying anyting against it. It seems that just the lawsuit and the the media is biased and unfair. Or did I miss something?
Naa⌠I don´t believe you that you debunked it. I know you don´t like media, because they are lying.
But according to this, it was not a public political statement to show that you are strong, but it was a non-public meeting in which trump asked about it. This is very different from the case you told me.
But we were both not there, and we can´t quote him directly.
It is not the same as bombing civilians, but where is your point for âthats a super idea, lets do thisâ? Torturing is fine because it was fine in the past? Thats your argument? Killing civilians in mass attacks is also used for thousands of years. The story of Kingdom Come Deliverance is a good example here. Peasants were the wealth of a lord, and it was easy to attack them, quite a good strategy to target them. Well, if torture is not wrong because the good old times, then there was never a terror attack either. 9/11 was a totally legit war attack. Nothing wrong about it, morally total okay.
There is another problem about it. Huge numbers of terrorists are no terrorists. How does the US get this people? Do they catch them as prisoners in combat? Rarely. It is most likely that local allies are reporting or capturing them, because they have the most information. They have this most informations indeed, but they have their own plans too.
âHey Achmed, I want to have the house from the guy at the end of the street. I will declare him a terrorist to the US troops, problem solved, no one likes him anyway.â
How often do you get real terrorists? No one knows. But torture them all, they lives in some shitty country, guilty enough.
And how can we convince someone that we are better then them? How should we convince the people there that their morale is shitty, when we do the same shitty stuff? Do you realise that we have more terrorists since we started the war on terror then before? I don´t want to say that we started this thing, this islamists are crazy people, but ragebombing the middle east seems to make the situation only more worse. Our best weapon is to be better then them, not to come down to the same level. I don´t want to be on the same level as this crazy guysâŚ
Sorry dude, but you are wrong, lets go back to 2002:
Howard Stern: Are you for invading Iraq?
Donald Trump: Yeah, I guess so. You know I wish it was - I wish the first time it was done correctly.
Donald Trump 2003 on the iraq war:
It looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint
And the fun parts:
Donald Trump on the iraq war:
2006 I would announce that we have been victorious in iraq, and all the troops are coming home. And let this people have their civil war.
2007 You know how to get out? They get out. Thats how they get out. Declare victory and leave. [âŚ] Anybody who wants more troops going over to iraq I think can´t win an election.
2011 Iraq, we shouldn´t have been there and I´d get ´em out real fast.
But later:
2011 We shouldn´t been out of there.
2015 We should´ve left our 20,000 soldiers there.
2015 They should´ve left soldiers behind, like 20,000.
Which one is it? Donald Trump has all the standpoints. And this is not the only policy issue here. Do you want to see how he is contradicting himself on the issue of health care? Ask for it and I will show you.
And there is still this funny thing. @SirWarriant, what is about this clear statement?
It was your statement that Trump is not blabbering bullshit and that the thinks well before he speaks. Solve it please!
Well, it was a direct quote from his twitter. Sorry. That Hillary is shitty too, and also a danger for free speach because of safe spaces. Yes. We have to do something against it, I will fight with you. That Hillary is shitty doesn´t make Donald Trump any better.
Okay, I take this back. I think that there was a case where Trump said that also muslim U.S. citizens should be expelled from reentering the US again if they were outside of it, but this is maybe wrong.
But the fun part of this statement is not even that muslims should not be allowed to enter anymore, but that this sould be a temporary solution until we will know what is going on. Quote: âThis is just a suggestion until we find out whatâs going onâ
So, he says he has no idea what is going on or what? Hell no, this didn´t started at 9/11, do you remember the bomb in the WTC in 1993? Or the embassy bombing in 1998?
or even older, the Lockerbie bombing in 1988?
Thats no how long? At least 28 years. I assume the USA knows exactly what is going on. What a bullshit statement, what does he thinks the secret service is doing? Sitting on the toilet for the last 28 years? No, this statement shows only one thing, HE has no idea what is going on, and his assumption is that nobody has.
Does he have every made a clear analytic statement about the situation? Ever? He has no idea who this people are, he even don´t know that Belgium is not a fucking city!
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You didn´t read my next sentece, did you?
It is well documented that Belgium is a country and not a city. You are missing my point here, and @ProkyBrambora is right. I do not doubt that there are problems with Imigrants, infact I would doubt that there are no problems. We have a lot of problems with Imigrants here in Europe. And the fun thing is, the political left warned about this situation long time ago too.
Good and true points. Reasonable and I agree, I still believe that she is less worse because she is more strategic.
But if you say she has a longer criminal career, and therefore she is worse. Legit and reasonable.
No, that was not my point. My point in this mixed up thing is, that he has no idea what is going on and what he is doing.
And Trump is not like Hitler, Trump is more like Mussolini, but clearly not Hitler.
True, the Media is shitty, the thing with the âmispeakingâ is, that I don´t believe that this was a âmispeakingâ, but I think that he really believed that Belgium is a country, because he does not care what happens outside of America, and therefore he has no idea what is going on. Evidence? Look up at my Iraq quotes.
What did I not critizied on Trump: That he is using a bad language, or this stupid story with this baby. I mean, who brings a crying baby to a speach? Get out, you are annoying everyone. Media is doing a bad job here, because a lot of people are thinking exactly this! And this is what makes him so strong. The journalists are thinking they are smearing him, what they definetely are trying, but in fact they are smearing themselfes and they are making themselfs unreliable. This makes him in fact stronger, and the jornalists are wondering how. Stupid idiots, and Trump knows about it.
Trump also avoid to give clear statements, so everyone can make his own interpretations, project their own dreams into him. They are ignoring contradicting statements, and only listen to the words they like.
Why do you have to tell me how Trump means something @SirWarriant? If I listen to Trump, then there are a lot of half sentences, but I don´t hear clear statements and explanations often. He is very bad in reason.
Stefan Molyneux for example, he is very good in reason, do you see any difference?
All of her foreign policy plans have failed and completely back fired. Does Libya ring a bell? Syria? Leaving Iraq despite military brass warnings? Trump is an isolationist, and far less likely to use military muscle all willy nilly like Hilary.
Did you watch the whole thing? Because Iâm pretty sure he talks about it, if not i might have the wrong video. But what i do know about Trump university is the women claiming it was a fraud did not do so until Trump started running for president which should set off alarm bells.
No i did, Trump was asked the same question in a televised interview and he said something along the lines of âI will never take nukes off the tableâ. You should not become the president of a nuclear armed nation unless you are god forbid prepared to use them. If you have a leader who says they wont, then your country gets a giant target painted on the back its head.
If torturing a mass murderer for intel could save lives and thwart future attacks then yes Iâm all for it.
I agree with you there, what happened in Guantanamo was fucked, most of those guys were falsely accused, how ever that can not be valid argument against torture or that torture doesnât work, as most of those guys had nothing to tell so obviously it didnât work.
Luckily the Patriot act has been revoked so the government can no longer just throw you in a hole with no evidence.
I completely disagree, ISIS has capitalized on the West lacking a stomach in this area, they have to know that we will be ruthless fuckers right back at them.
I already addressed this up above. This is the only statement that shows his support for invading Iraq and soon after he was no longer for it. Trump was a civilian at the time, his source of news was mainstream news which was reporting Iraq had nuclear weapons, so you cannot blame him for originally supporting it like most of the nation did.
Hilary Clinton is a different case, she was in power, and knew damn well the U.N weapons inspectors found jack shit, she vote for that war despite knowing the truth.
That is not evidence indicating his support of the invasion, look at the date 2003, the coalition had recently toppled the Iraq army in about a month, with taking very minimal casualties, so yes it was a military success Iraq was completely defeated.
Is this supposed to show him supporting the Iraq war? Again reference the date, U.S was taking heavy losses due to insurgents at that time.
Again i fail to see what youâre trying to prove here. Trump certainly does not support the war, and 2011 was the time when the generals were warning Obama not to leave the country due to ISIS, and Trump was echoing their sentiments.
Well i guess he means that then, canât say Iâm too shocked he would think that, a lot of people do. After all every one of Obamas moves in the middle east has strengthened them, he refuses to condemn their attacks, has dropped plenty of weapons for them, and was responsible for arming and training rebels who went on to join ISIS.
I still donât think he means Obama literally founded them, but Obama certainly has been their biggest supporter intentional or not.
Again if you watched his entire speech instead of reading cherry picked lines you would know what he means by âwhatâs going onâ. We have no idea how many ISIS fighters have infiltrated the refugees, so until we have a proper vetting system donât let any in, is this really this hard to understand?
No i did, but you are trying to paint him as this loose cannon war mongerer.
Perhaps he mispoke? Did you ever think of that, instead you just jump to the most radical and insane conclusions, âHe has no idea Belgium is a countryâ, which do you think is more likely?
Really? Trump is like Mussolini? Explain.
Well to shed even more light on that, and how the media lies, it was a complete joke and the mother of the baby said she thought it was funny what he said.
Okay, could be true, Trump is by far not as agressive as many left and the corporate media wants to show him, this is correct.
Around 30 minutes of it, I skipped a few parts because I wanted to find the important spot. I must say I like to watch Stefan Molyneux from time to time too. I often don´t share his conclusions, but I like how he reasons and actually he has a lot of good points.
As far as I know Trump was not asked, but he was asking for it. But I was not there, I can´t make a valid point here. But it is not debunked too, because you can´t show me evidence that the didn´t either. Your answer is not quite fitting to my point, but as my point can´t be validated it has no weight at all⌠so, next point.
If it works, fine. My point against torture is not to spare them, as they are pro torture, we can torture them. I am against torture because I think it does not help very well in getting some intel, as people under torture will tell you everything just to get out of the situation. The chances are quite high that they will tell you some bullshit information. People in the medieval ages agreed that they where in alliance with Satan, just to get killed fasterâŚ
âŚI think the main problem with torture is, that we give ISIS powerfull ammunition for their recruitment crews. I doubt that we can scare them of by the thread of torture, even worth, they have a reason to continue fighting and never give up.
But the thing is:
Trump: Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works. And if it doesnât work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us.
It doesn´t matter if it works or not for Trump. I doubt that it really works, maybe in some cases, but I think it does more harm on the strategic end. But Trump would torture anyway.
The situation with ISIS is fucked up, I am no expert here, I don´t know how to stop them, but it seems there is no masterplan, otherwise the Situation would already be solved. ISIS is basically a extremist child of al-Qaida in Iraq. It was not Obamas war, it was Bushs war. Obama was different to Clinton and to Trump against the war from the Beginning.
True, Trump was a civilian at this time, and he had no idea what was going on, in short, he didn´t cared about the situation. He never advocated for the Iraq war, like Clinton or Bush, his opinion was more: âyeah, whatever, do it. Will be the right decisionâ. But in this time, in 2002 he was pro Irak war.
And now he says: âNo, I was against the war from the beginning.â Which is not true at all.
Obama didn´t made a good job in iraq, but he did exact the same think what Trump was advocating for, get out of it, only to blame him afterwards for this bad decision. Thats what I wanted to say with the other quites. That Trump does not make clever decisions in the first place, he knows better afterwards and then he is telling that he was right from the beginning.
About the fucked up patriot act. Whos idea was that again? Obama? No! Happy right wing Gulag. But it has nothing to do with Trump of course.
Obamas position in the Iraq case? Clean up the mess, but he failed. It was not his war, he had to deal with it and failed. Hillary? Guilty.
Shows that Trump often speaks before he thinks, and my opinion is, that thinking is not his strenght.
In short, Mussolini and Trump shares a lot of haughtiness for their own person. They are both very authoritarian. Mussolinis plan was to bring Italy back to its old strength, the glory of the roman Empire.
But he was less aggressive in comparisson to Hitler, especially less fanatic. Trump is not a fanatic guy.
MA Supreme Court: Black People Can Run From Police If They Fear Racism
Have not researched it beyond the article yet, but at first view this seems ridiculous.
The unwarranted stops are do to the overwhelming racial bias of profiling in police training. Making a law that gives people the right to flee because âthey fear racismâ is not a solution.
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STATS - Because Why the fuck not?
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It feels so Meta liking this post 
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Itâs too bad it dosnt include stats from either of the troll caves.
It does, there would be no other way that you would have a higher read time then me otherwise.