Uschitz Needs a Minor Tweak

Gameplay
#1

The town NEEDS to have a blacksmith and a tailor.
Mebbe convince Zach to move there and build up one or better yet: have a mission where Henry helps to do it and find a blacksmith?
How do the people buy/fix/repair their tools and farm equipment?
Who helps them with clothing repair and supplies?
What about a cobbler too??? Do they all walk around bare foot? I think not.

Samopesh, a half forgotten backwater village has at least a blacksmith!

DEVS Please, put these in the town. we spend enough time there to often need these services.
put in like a with a patch update??? micro DLC?

#2

it does, it’s on the other side of the river

#3

Where precisely? I have not found him and is not listed on the game map even as an unexplored place.
I have been all over the area looking for other people and places repeatedly and times and have not come across him.
The one in Ledetchco is across the river.

#4

Nope. Thats Ledetchko you are talking about. Uschitz does not have any smith:
https://kingdomcomemap.github.io/#2/2448.0/1612.0

#5

Using google maps, there is 1,5km from the Church in Uschitz to the Keep of the castle in Talmberg.
Iam sure the population in Uschitz can managed to take the walk to Talmberg…
the road is fine so it would take maybe 20-25 minutes each way. That is about the same I spend on walking to my local supermarket to get my food. Something I obviously need to do more often than a peasant need to get need clothing or shoes or new tools.

#6

I 'm lazy. I show up in town with loot from along the way and do not feel like backtracking to dispose of it or get major repairs from damage just getting there.
I do enough quest that have me end up there to I feel warrant the tweak.

#7

I fully agree that as a lazy player it is rather annoying.

But arguing with history and how it effect the people living in the town do not hold water.

#8

There is a smithy in UĹľice. House oposite the grocery shop. Only there is no blacksmith AFAIK (havent seen anyone there working). Maybe it was supposed to be for Henry as his own,but did not get into release.

#9

Unfinished game is still unfinished.

#10

UĹľice blacksmith probably drank himself to death with father Godwin :grin:

#11

Uzhitz is a pretty cool town. I have mentioned before about an issue there, not so much of a need for a tailor, but the fact the blacksmith forge sets empty, and the tanner does not talk to you, even though you can clearly tell he is a tanner on the river on the church side. I recommend checking it out. The game has some odd things, that in time i hope are balanced, three tailors, and 2 cobblers is pretty hard to imagine. Maybe just have traders sell a few shoes and clothes. Also Uzhitz is the closest town to the next “non-mapped” town. So i kind of feel like if they ever do anything to the map Uzhitz would be more important as the next expanded zone might be there. The northern part above Uzhitz is a pretty amazing countryside too, very cool place to wander around.

#12

First of all,no village blacksmith,in his sound mind,woud buy any of your looted longswords or milanese breastplates.He wouldnt have enough groschen. And if, to whom would he sell them? Local peasants? He might be willing to buy some iron items to reforge them into nails,plows,horse shoes and such. If it was not too much trouble for him. It means for the price of scrap metal.His masterpiece in terms of military equipment would be scythe made into some primitive glaive.

Second,no specialised master swordsmith or armorsmith would buy any of your crappy loot. They were crafstmen working with custom orders. They had no interest to buy some used up,beaten and torn piece of armor soaked with blood of very doubtful origin and quality. Specially plate armor was custom made,taylored to the figure of the customer. Such artisans were flocked into guilds in big towns,as production of advanced high quality products required a complicated chain of subsuppliers. Thats why these armors were famous by their place of origin = Milan (for italian style) and Augsburg,Magdeburg,Nuremberg for german/gothic style armors. You would not find such masters in countryside province shaitholes like Rattay.
Complaining that Uzhitz doesnt have such loonatic to buy your scrap…:grinning:

Looting of dead bodies (even enemies) was largely considered as sinful/immoral by church and society. It was also not worth/practical to strip dead bodies of armor (after beating your enemy with warhammer you can imagine the mess).While in game Henry can do it in a blink of an eye,in reality only those with strong stomach would do it. Usually only best pieces were removed from body,like jewelry or much easilly removable helmets (assuming you didnt process your opponents skull into potato mash during duel).
If someone was really determined to get that beaten up plate armor with torn hauberk from enemy (that noone would buy for any reasonable price excusing the effort given),he would resort to chopping off that particular limb to which the armor has been attached. Weapons of still good value were usually collected by local military authority and were repaired/stored/reisued by armories.

So more realistic choices for Henry to sell metal loot would be:

  1. Damaged beyond repair= iron smelter
  2. Still usable = local armory in Rattay BUT with limited demand. If you bring 1000 swords nobody needs,you will have to proceed according option 1 (or drop them on the pile of manure) :rofl:
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#13

where did you get the rather strange idea that looting was not done?

Looting the dead was done all the time. and was seen as part of your pay as a soldier. It was your right.
(usually with some rules about how much you get, how much your captain get…)

Also just because you kill a man, it do not mean that all hit armour is useless. Sure the helmet you broke killing him, is no longer usable. but the rest of his armour can be and especially mail armor is easily repaired.

#14

I’d like to add ti this point in that it was notably strange in the battle of visby that people were not even looted
The weather conditions were so horrendous that people just didnt bother to take the armor, thats why we have so many finds from that particular battle.
Looting is almost always done, however stripping armor might not have.
However if a peasant sees a man in full plate/mail (depending on period) of course he would, it would supplement his income for months or even years.
Noblemen might not have, but the rank and file most certainkt would have.
Also armor, especially metal ones, are not that easy to damage, especially beyond repair, thats why plate was so good and needed to be bypassed rather than rammed through (lances tho). Mail would also not tear that easily especially if they were using the more common riveted mail. Maybe a few rings would pop, but it would probably be a huge step up for the average soldier

Armies in the middle ages, as matt easton (scholagladiatori) has said, were glorified raiding parties. They were looters directed into enemy territory under a chain of command. Loot would have been distributed among the soldiers and apart from the most disciplined, looting was almost always done sometimes even against the commanders orders
Thats why crusaders werent let into Constantinople by comnemos (or someone) because he thought they would loot the place and instead chose to keep them outside with promises to bring the loot out for them to take.

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#15

Also the Visby armour might have been shoddy, thrown together armour that nobody particularly wanted after the battle.

#16



mm maybe but from what i see it wasn’t that bad. Add that particular event was noted as being a particularity exhausting hot and gross day, so nobody really bothered to loot (apart from probably captured/killed enemy nobles and the better equipped men at arms)

#17

All valid reasons. I was going to just go look it up, but I loaned my copy of Armour from the Battle of Wisby: 1361 to a friend who is making a coat of plates.

#18

for the time Visby armor was decades old and out of date compared to the then modern stuff.
I would be like a Vietnam war soldier look at an opponent wearing world war one gear.

#19

What some people describe here and use as an argument,is standard battlefield looting. What we have in game is different situation.
With Henry,it is him against all odds in quests given by Robard/Bernard/von Berg . He is doing in fact police work/bounty hunting. There is no regular war/battlefield.
No experienced soldier,in his sound mind,would send one greenhorn guy to beat the crap out of the camp full of seasoned bandits/cumans. He would get a support of at least few soldiers from Rattay/Talmberk/Sassau garrison. As such,the loot would belong to lord/authority,not Henry= give looted stuff to sir Robard/sir Bernard/Sassau monastery custodian and get some percentage as reward in groschen.
Other cathegory of fighting/looting are random encounters. In this case this is a crime sceen. You were attacked by criminals/you witnessed the crime. The correct procedure would be to report the crime to local bailiff and give him the loot as evidence,receiving again a reward in groschen.

Selling armor to armorer is like selling bread to baker. See the nonsense? I never bought a single shait from game armorers or swordsmiths. Why? I looted everything. Why are they even in game? They are useless as crafstmen. They could be replaced by some kind of medieval arms dealer or second-hand/pawn shop guy.
Imagine yourself being ingame armor/swordsmith. There is this guy regularly comming to your shop trying to sell lots of swords,plate armor,hauberks and such. Why should I,as a crafstman,buy stuff I produce? And all that loot…would not that be suspicious? Where is he getting all that stuff from? Did he kill half of Talmberk guards? Maybe he slit throat of all guards in Rattay last night? Who knows? The game marker “stolen goods” is just gamey solution for not having proper looting/crime report/reward system.

As for exquisite plate armour worn by every second bandit/cuman…that should not be in the game. It is not realistic and it screws the economy of the game badly (to same extent like poaching/cooking/selling game meet). Henry should order his own set of armor at either Sassau or Rattay armorer. As I mentioned before,particulary plate armor has been custom made to fit the figure of customer. Henry would have to be very lucky to find the guy with exact figure like him to fit the looted armor.

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