Well how about the Food?

My hunger has sparked my curiosity. Decided to create this to get everyones ideas about what kind of food will be in the game. Also, how in depth you think cooking will be in the game. It would be awesome if it was Iron Chef America and I could cook a lot of stuff in a kitchen. Food I think is often overlooked in games. I believe we can fish/hunt in game and we know in the game we need to eat to live, so how good will we be living in the game? Thoughts.

chicken and wine confirmed.

I need to watch the live stream again to see what they were eating and drinking.

Dang I will have to watch it later, from the screen shots I can see produce. Now I want a garden in game. Bring me Tomatoes…lots of tomatoes. Update: just read online that it was the norm to only have two meals a day back in that time. One at mid day and one later in the evening. That sucks…no breakfast or secondbreakfast. Update Again: also read that there was a fish pie that had different fruits and such in it. Cooking utinsles were not really available to the poor. Looks like you are stuck with a pot and a spoon. Spices were expensive, no seasons for the poor. Hummm not too sure how great the food will be in the game. :frowning:

Definetly no tomatos. And it is also confirmed that there will be no potatos ingame. But some unrealistic apples are already in there…
Cooking will be like the game “cooking mama”.

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Has it seriously been confirmed there’ll be no potatoes? Where? I’m surprised I missed that: thought I’d read everything more or less. Lol I don’t know why this bothers me but it kind of does… Weren’t potatoes like, a crucial food crop back then?

It’s easy why -> there were no potatoes in Europe at that time. :smile:
Potatoes are from the Americas.
First contact 1492.

Why are they unrealistic?

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yeah no potatoes, no tomatoes
these are plants from the new world

But being able to cultivate food in a garden would be great!

lol fair enough. blushes

Actually I’m not completly sure if he is unrealistic or not. According to the flowers in the livestream we are maybe between may and july. The earlyest apple I know is ready in august.

When this is right, then the apple in the livestream should be a half year old. But he looks very fresh. Thats why I’m saying unrealistic. But thats just fun… :slight_smile:

I dont know how far the cooking aspect will go in KCD but since you actually have to eat to stay healthy and alive It could take a big role. Cooking good food will get you healthier I guess. Since you’re able to hunt and fish and collect plants/berries it would be nice if you can cook something out of all these things.
The recipes shouldnt be too complicated though.

I informed me a bit in the internet and thats what I found in short about food in the medieval times:

Meat was one of the most important foods (supposedly 100kg per head and year), although the best parts of the animals were eaten by privileged people and they were also the only ones allowed to hunt. But animals like pigs were kept by the “normal” population and they were also running around in the villages or sent into the forest so that they (pigs) could eat beechnuts/hazelnuts etc. Also chicken was running around the villages and was quite affordable for the normal population. Other Birds have been eaten, too like goose, duck and everything that could be catched.

cows were not kept in a bigger scale at least for meat production cause they were labor-intensive (edit: compared to pigs), but they gave milk so thats what they were mostly used for, same with sheep that were primary used for the wool

Fish was very important, too. Especially for people living at the coast or near big rivers. Also for fasting cause you were allowed to eat fish. Fish was mainly used by the normal population. I hope to see different kinds of fish ingame at least salt-water (herring, codfish) and fresh-water types (pike, catfish, even salmon was found in the rivers at this time)! stockfish was traded all over europe and there was even a form of fish farming in small ponds(maybe we see this ingame!?)

Even more Important was bread (sometimes dipped in soup) or grain pulp in the 14/15 century every person ate about 200kg per year although crop earnings were very low compared to today. There have been several different sorts of crop. People also accidentally ate some ergots (active components today known as LSD) would be great to see some of that ingame :smiley:

One of the most common foods was simply porridge sometimes sweetened with honey or sugar. Dough, filled with meat, vegetables, eggs etc. was also known in many kitchens

Vegetables like cabbage, beetroot, onions, cucumber and parsnip (parsnip played a similar role like the potato much later) complemented the crop based feeding.
Peas and beans were easy to store and were often used as a mash for a thick soup or a stew.
apples, pears, cherries, plums, wild-berries, nuts and so on were often used too of course

spices like pepper (being the most important), cinnamon, nutmeg, clove, saffron and ginger were very expensive and were mostly used by wealthy people
other spices like mustard, salvia, parsley, caraway, mint, anise etc were grown in europe and were much more affordable.

Honey was an important sweetener (besides fruit sugar) but it was not collected like today and was also expensive but sugar was used more and more instead of honey in 14th and 15th century cause its price was dropping. Some of the first candies were sugar candied apple/cherry and marzipan or jelly. They also knew waffles and different kinds of cookies

of course salt was also very important for cooking and to preserve food.

Not to mention different kinds of preservation (dehydrate, salt, ensiling, fumigate)

There are also some medieval books with many recipes, I think the developers might look in some of those to get inspiration

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Cows labor intensive?

If we are talking about person per acre than I believe it is less labor intensive than grain.

Now my grandfather back in the day had 25 dairy cows and for those he needed to hire another adult farmhand to help on the farm. Without modern medicine and veterinary care I don’t think you could get more than 1 cow per 2.5 acres. So let’s say the families of both men were supported by 25 cows on 63 acres of land. Compared to the Yardland mentioned above (growing a cereal crop) it does not seem that much more inefficient. You’d get a lot less calories per acre but in terms of people required per acre it’s less.

@Dushin Sorry I wrote it in a way you could easily misunderstand it.
Cows are more labor-intensive compared to pigs and they need bigger grazing land. Also oxen and cows were used more as draft animals on the fields than to supply meat
its not supposed to mean that its more labor-intensive than crops, cause I also think its more work there

but not everything I wrote has to be 100% right, I read some of it on the internet and had to translate it so… you’re welcome to bring your own aspects and critcize mine.