Where are all children?

Can you link the other discussion? I’d be iterested in the legal aspects…

Sure, here you go.

well, crap. Brutally chopping to pieces people in games, pumping them full of bullets etc. is all a-o-k , but woe betides him, who raises a hand against a kid, or dares show a nipple…

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Well technically, it’s killing them that’s a problem. If you put immortal children in the game but the player can still swing at them, it’s not that big of a deal.

still feels retarded/hypocritical…

As if it could get any worse after what happened in the monastery last night…oops.

I guess it’ll be ok to have immortal children… there are already immortal horses, so why not kids? if you rely so heavily on realism that prevents to put immortal children, why do you not object there are not breakable (using weapon) wooden chests, doors, windows, carts, whatever… the realism in game is limited anyways (and must be)

Yep, anything regarding harming children or child nudity is a no go. Still the laws aren’t too strict, it’s more of a matter that WH didn’t bother/couldn’t put children in the game by the release date defined. If you make them immortal, you’re all set legally so long as the game doesn’t encourage child abuse.

Agreed, morality is just a posture nowadays, you also have rape, no game would ever include that (not that I’m asking for it), the backlash would be huge, but mercilessly murdering hundreds of people is OK. I’m actually surprised the game allow you to chase women and chop them to death with an ax…

Not particularly bothered by kids not being killable, just find the rule kinda dumb.

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why not, it´s the response to the feminist #metoo movement :smiley: no differences between men and women :wink: let’s be (idiotically) sex correct/blind

To be fair though, one evil being permitted is no excuse for all the others to be allowed aswell.
Give it a few years though and these rules may change aswell, as did nudity and many other things. A long while back, nudity in games was out of the question.

Well… ‘nudity’, when henry stripped bare still has his breeches and a magical undershirt that disappears when wearing other clothing?

There is some nice 15th C. mans underwear surviving, looking pretty similar to a thong, but try putting that in games or media :smiley:

I always find it odd, especially with the US market, how on one hand designs for female characters are more often than not totally ridiculously oversexualized, yet in the same media, people almost get a heart attack when seeing a nipple, full frontal nudity being quasi unheard of.

There are movies from the 1970s, when people were seemingly less prude which occasionally feature fully nude people, and doing so neither in a retardedly oversexualized ways, nor shying away from filthy filthy nudity, but…y’know, in a rather relaxed manner, as if it werent a big deal that humans are actually naked under their clothing…

Somewhere on youtube there was interview with Vavra, where he was like “if there were kids, then they should be killable and i don’t like it” (IIRC).

Weird, there are multiple essential characters, I just massacred Rattay, killed absolutely everyone except the guard who gives you the tour, the Lord of the place and the trainer guy because they are unkillable…

I’ve found that interview - https://youtu.be/dW2KHklIHxw?t=1h46m20s , i was wrong. :slight_smile: He basicaly said that it’s a pity, but it’s too much work and if they were there they will be unkillable and in the backround only.

Eh, it’ll happen eventually. Either WH will take the time…far down the project list, or an enterprising modder will port in some kid models from Skyrim.

Short version: Can’t kill them.

Long version: You can’t kill kids (which is stupid) and if you did, chances are most players would strip them of everything for their worth in gold, and we can’t have that, now can we? As well, some people said, ‘‘well why not shrink down adult models?’’ Well, there are a few reasons, 1 being that the models would basically be midgets/dwarves, 2 is that, well…children of that time are any male under 16 and any girl under 12. You can see why that would be a problem, can’t you (hint, 12 and 16 would mean they are adults, therefore killable, but modern perspective says anyone under 18/19/21 is a child, so it’s a thin line. Plus, as adults, they can have sex, which would mean there would have to be nude models of them like the adult models (which, with a mod, can be nude. Yeah, it was expected, so Warhorse saved modders the time), and then there’s the whole betrothal/marriage of 30 year olds to 12 year olds. It’s a mess of legal shit Warhorse didn’t need nor want to deal with) So no, children will never be added by Warhorse. It’s unfortunate, but smart on their end.

I just massacred Rattay, killed absolutely everyone except the guard who gives you the tour, the Lord of the place and the trainer guy because they are unkillable…

As for you, they’re immortal because they are essential, yes, as well they are real people so they die (or live) further than 1403, so that’s why.

Agreed, they should be added.

A reason we can tell ourselves when playing : the rumors that Sigimund and the Cumins eat babies was true!!! To battle!

Alternatively, kids are super sneaky/stealthy and avoid all strangers, which includes you.

Seriously, I had not even noticed. I feel dumb.

Anyhow, like in other games, you can make the kids run away super fast, immune to arrows also, and they hide in bushes and disappear if there is combat. (And make sure it is not mod-dable.)

I don’t actually recall many old people. Oh well.

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