Please tell me Warhorse won’t prioritize consoles…Consoles have fewer sales. PCs are where it’s at.
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I hope that PC version will have priority. Giving the priority to the console versions, with a general downgrade, would be inconceivable.
I don’t want make a console war but in general I think that the target of this project is for adult people and we know that the great part of teens plays on console.
The console versions should be well optimized for console’s architectures and the PC version well optimized for PC.
I will pledge and play Kingdom Come on my PC and I don’t want to see a downgrade only because consoles have an obsolete hardware.
Dan recently spoke briefly on the matter.
Not sure where you get your information, but console sales always destroy PC sales. With that said, they should maximize the threshold for each iteration, be it console or PC.
A console is just a PC, which allows developers to optimize their games to the known specs. It’d be nice if console’s had better hardware, but most people wouldn’t spend $1000+ for a console. I personally would.
Games are where it’s at, no matter what vessel.
Nope. First of all consoles aren’t PC, but simple machines that try to be a PC but with less function and power. Second, if you search on internet, especially on sites that talk about economy, you can see how global PC games revenue surpasses consoles.
It’s easy to say “console sales always destroy PC sales” in the same way it’s easy to say “piracy it’s always on PC”, when I saw lot piracy on PS1, PS2 and XBOX 360 but people seems blind on this fact.
With Steam the piracy went down and the sales grew up. Anyway console sales are high because average console player preorder lot of games, even their are bad games (someone said “Destiny”?), when PC gamers are more cautious in purchases and sometime this mean less sales.
TV commercials don’t represent the quality of the game but in the most cases have the only function to generate hype, and all TV commercials have the function to sell consoles and relative games, above all console exclusives.
If PC games would have the same relevance on TV and the gamers would have more culture I don’t know how many years of lives the consoles would have.
I was a console gamer and I thought that console were more cheaper than a PC, but this was a mistake. You can pay a console less than a computer (a PC with the same specifics of a PS4 costs 400€ - 450€ but play on PC with a console quality is ridiculous) but the games are very expensive and you must pay the online; in these days Sony upgraded the cost of Plus from 14,99€ to 19,99€.
Many friends who play on console say: “WOW!!! 1000+ euros for a PC?! You’re mad!”, but they paid 800€ for an iPhone and 1000€ for an iPad… who’s more crazy?
How forget the sell of the used console games? In fact this is worse than piracy on PC because if I illegally download a game, and I like it, I can always buy this game. Before Steam I played some illegally downloaded games, but when I opened a Steam account a bought them all, so the developers have earned money at the end.
When you go to the GameStop and you sell your used game the developers will not earn nothing and this is worst of the piracy… it’s legalized piracy.
In future I think that even on console you will have only digital games; digital games at the price of 70€ (consoles are closed system and you can’t have the competition with prices and services like on a PC, that is a open system) + the cost of the PSN or XBOX Live.
PC gaming have a bright future but for console I see only dark clouds at the horizon.
At the end I hope that on a PC we will have the best quality that will be possible. At the same time I hope that the game will be well optimized even for console. 
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TLDR sorry.
I’m not going to argue with someone who ignores factual evidence. Games that are console AND PC sell better on console. This is a fact.
EDIT: Look, I don’t want to be a jerk. I re-read your post. I play games on console and on PC. I just don’t like the PC elitist attitude. It is a huge turn off for me.
I figured I should provide some evidence to my argument.
If a game is on all platforms, from console to PC, it will always “win” on console. So obviously people aren’t just purchasing games for superior graphics, framerates, etc. Also, the discrepancy in graphical quality obviously is not great enough for someone to decide to get a good enough PC to take advantage of those improvements.
Consoles ARE technically a PC. This isn’t really debatable. It’s a fact. Not sure why you’re arguing that point. The reason why games, on inferior hardware, can look better than they ought to on a console is because the developers can optimize their games SPECIFICALLY to that hardware. PC developers are trying to accommodate thousands of different configurations. It’s a whole different ballgame.
That’s why PC games have minimum requirements and recommended configurations on their box. It’s not just there for shits and giggles.
I have already saw these list of sales but I always read that they don’t consider the digital sales or there are only estimate.
At the moment The Witcher 3 reach the goal of 4 million copies sold and 1.3 million copies are only from PC, so the copies on PS4 are 1.35 million and 1.35 million on XOne. We can’t say that the consoles “win”.
Anyway, have reliable data of PC sales is very difficult if not impossible (Steam don’t release the number of sold copies, if I’m right). Track the copies sold on console it’s easy but on PC where you can buy retail, digital copies, keys, copies given away with graphic cards… I think isn’t very easy.
If a game is on all platform, and if the developers did a good work, the PC version will be always the better. Consoles try to be a computer but in fact are medium-low range “PC” because their hardware it’s basically obsolete. Also, if a game born for PC and after optimized for console, you can see that the discrepancy in graphic is high (look at The Witcher 2 on PC and than on XBOX 360).
The Witcher 3 was criticized for the downgrade and the console assets on PC version. CD Project said that the “guilty” are the consoles, because when they produced the first in-game footage for PC they expected powerful console “next-gen” but how can we see now these consoles are only “old-gen 2.0”, and unfortunately for spend less money they create a version with console assets even for PC. Well, after the release cames out mods and official graphical improvements and new graphic assets for PC and when you play with PC version you can see lots of NPC, when in the console versions seems that you walk on a ghost town.
Differences between PC and consoles are very high, but unfortunately many developers try to hide this with rough PC versions with poor textures, framerate locked at 30 fps and with limited choose of resolutions. On the other hand we have modders that adjust the shameful things done by the developers.
Optimization on console don’t mean “run a game, with inferior hardware, like on a PC” but “eliminate things for achieve the possible stability”. Take again The Witcher 3 and see that fps on PS4 are between 20 and 30, less NPC than the PC version, 1080p when we can play at 1440p and over, inferior viewing distance on consoles, etc.
The interesting thing is that if you buy a 450$ PC you can see a more stable frame rate and a graphic quality a bit better.
P.S.: I’m not a “PC elitist” or a “PC MASTER RACE”. I only say what I read on financial websites and seems that the evolution of gaming doesn’t go on the direction that console gamers hope.
At the end, as I have said, the important thing is play videogames without flames and console war. 
I haven’t yet pledged Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Have you bought it for PC or console?
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That’s not always the case. Remember there are more games out there, than just AAA titles.
PC gaming revenue has far surpassed console in recent years. The most played game in the world League of Legends, is a PC exclusive.
Speak for yourself, there are lots of people that would get a pc for the graphics alone. More and more people are moving to PC gaming ever year, because the lie about pc costing 1000+ dollars has been debunked.
Where was he being a PC elitist? You can’t call him one just for disagreeing with you.
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My comment had nothing to do with PC exclusives. Had 100% to do with games on next gen consoles and PC. In these scenarios, console wins. This is not an indication that console is better experience. This is an argument that the PC experience is not so vastly great to cause millions of people to ditch their consoles. So there is something console is doing right and PC is not.
No it does not all the time. With AAA titles yes it usually does, but the smaller titles that are multi platform usually do better on pc.
Again you seem to think popularity makes something better.
There are so many lies about PC gaming out there, like you need to build a 1000+ dollar rig to match a console, when in fact you can pay the same price for far better.
Usually when people find out how cheap it is they switch. More and more people switch to PC every year. This console generation so far has not been very good. Both consoles are already being maxed out by games coming out. So its safe to say this generation won’t last very long, certainly not as long as the last one did.
Consoles are dying.
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You may be right. Name one?
I never suggested popularity makes something better. Don’t be presumptuous. If the PC experience was so vastly better-- as people like you claim-- then undoubtedly more and more people would be leaving consoles for PCs. That isn’t happening. So there must be something consoles are doing right that can’t simply be placed on a few lies here or there.
And I don’t think anyone argues you need to pay 1000+ to match a console. I think the argument is, to take advantage of what a PC offers OVER a console, you need to pay 1000+. And that’s not a lie.
Yeah, I don’t think so.
Lots of people left consoles and passed to PC. I made this choice 8 years ago.
The problem isn’t that PC don’t do right things but there is a cultural problem between console gamers. How can you pay for a service like PSN or Live for playing online when every years have lot of cyber attacks? Moreover many PSN users have seen their credit card informations stolen by hackers.
Steam is free and had two heavy attacks, resolved without problems in few hours.
Also, a PC is a complete machine and with it you can do everything, so, why I should pay 500€ for a PC and 499€ for a console when with 800€ I can make a PC better than both?
When I was a console player, exactly at the end of PS2 generation, I made some calculations for see how I spent my money with it and how much I would have spent if I had bought a PC. Well, doubtless the starting cost for a PC is more high than a console but year by year the costs become the same and now, with Steam, GOG, keys and low cost retail, you can save more money with a PC than with a console.
My previous PC “born” in 2007 and gone in “pension” at the beginnig of 2015. I’ve never had a problem and can work again if a member of my family will need a PC.
Every year, from 2007 to first months of 2015, I saved money without problems and now I have a high end PC and a monitor with 1440p resolution.
With it I study, I play videogames, I listen to music, I watch anime and films, I talk with friends through Skype, I drawing and lot of other stuff.
As I said the beginning cost is more high but a PC gives you an experience that a console can not give, not now nor ever.
I played with consoles from 1995 to 2007 and as many console gamers of these years I always thought that PC was an elitist machine for rich people who loves waste their money, when with a cheap console you can do everything. Tsk, It incredible how I was ignorant and naive about the PC world, but I was more young.
I don’t criticize people who chose consoles instead a PC and this choice depending on necessity. Anyway many parents buy consoles for their sons only because their skills in the use of PC are very poor or don’t want waste their time to teach how to use a PC to their children. Unfortunately in this modern world you must know how to use a PC. Also, I hate the policy of companies in matter of consoles and relative games and don’t forget the misleading TV spots. I remember the TV spot of Destiny made in Computer Graphic; one of my friend told me “WOW! This graphic detail is awesome! No PC could run games with this graphic but the PS4 can!”, Jesus… how can a person be so foolish? How it’s possible that many people don’t realize that they were deceived?
Console gamers look at the graphic detail in the same way of the PC gamers, if not more. I remember a war on a videogame website where PS4 owners and XBOX One owners for the graphic detail of Destiny. They arrived to analyze the AA on a single pixel!
There’s only one thing that consoles are doing in the right way: Marketing. Pure and powerful marketing that drive the choices of the mass.
Fortunately I came out from Matrix.
Yeah you are right, that you can buy easily better pc, which is not that much expensive, but did you know that nowadays most of the gamers have graphics card with power close to gtx660? Consoles aren’t the only one behind downgrades. Most of the nootebooks cant run newest game well, averange pc either.
You cant considered console as a pure evil that makes your game looking bad, thanks to them you can build pc for 800€ which runs the newest games well and you dont have to buy every year new hw.
Even the developers doesnt have that much money to have the best hw on the market all the time.
Saying that pc version can generate the same amount of money as console versions is nonsense. It is not just about the number of copies sold on each platform, but you have to considered also a price. If you will cut 30% of the price which goes to Microsodt or Sony you will get similar price, but the price of games on pc goes down really quickly and thanks to that you will generate much more lower profit on pc.
Yes I know that nowadays most of the gamers don’t have high end graphics cards but I have to say two thing in purpose:
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Many gamers (I’m in this cathegory) don’t change GPUs after few years, simply because don’t have any sense to change a graphic card that works well and it’s practically new. Obvious, if you’re a fan of last tecnologies or your work require always high end hardware, you must change configuration more quickly than others.
Also, if you don’t play with high resolutions like 2K, 4K and in future 8K, you will never use all the power of your GPU. I have a GTX 980 Strix with a 1440p LED monitor… If I had choose a 1080p monitor the money that I spent on my GTX 980 would be wasted. Then, if you play with 1080p you can wait before buy a new GPU. -
Other people waiting for new AMD’s GPUs with 20 nm and 16 nm technology.
There’s no need to hurry on the replacing of the hardware. Sure, other people don’t have money but in this case many people say that a PC gaming is expensive but they have iPhone, iMac, i Pad. 
Notebooks… who’s so crazy to play with these? 
Developers doesn’t have much money…
Money, get away
Get a good job with more pay and you’re okay
Money, it’s a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
I’m a fan of Pink Floyd, excuse me.
In my opinion isn’t matter of how money they have because if you know only a little part of the investments are used on the developing. The great part are used for marketing.
The real reason is that many developers are shameful because they realize unfinished games and when happen on PC we have modders, but when happen on console?
People should open their eyes and stop to say “They doesn’t have money” because it’s not true. I want remember to you that videogames industry collects more money than film industry. Developers ignored PC gaming but now the music is changed. PC gamers claim more quality of the games and this annoying many developers (for this reason I pledge Kickstarter games that are more interesting than other games supported with money of $ony and Micro$oft). On consoles you can sell unfinished games and console gamers give you their money with no problems or questions; Destiny is a great example of that, of a game that will be finished in the next 10 years with many DLC at the price of 30+ euros… YAY!!!
The price of PC games goes down quickly because the publishers lower the price. You think that when the Steam Summer or Winter Sales starts the prices were set by Steam? Nope, the publishers choice if reduce or not the prices. In this days many japanese developers going to publish games on PC that were console exclusive, first of all because PS4 in Japan didn’t sell well as expected and the PC gaming grew up so quickly at the point that even japanese console-lovers started to explore the unlimited and free world of PC gaming.
As I said previously, the selling of used console games it’s a plague and would be interesting to know how much money the developers lose.
Yes you are right is some points, but you are moving away from the topic :). Pc gamers doesnt have to change their hw because consoles are creating standarts and thanks to them we can play on 2+ years old hw newest game well. Creating games on console hw force the developers to optimize their games.
Hw in consoles is not best on the market, thats for sure, but still most of the nowadays pc have hw on the same level or little bit worse. In the next few years averange pc will be much more powerful than XboxOne or PS4, but developers are selling the games to players with current hw. Dont be angry on consoles, because they are causing downgrades. Look for example on Witcher 3 lowest requirements - Core i5, 6gb ram, amd 7870. 2-3 years ago this was highend pc. Today it has problems with newest games. If CDprojekt wouldnt make downgrade, the min. specs would be much more higher and how many players would have that powerful pc?
Consoles hw is not week compared to what is averange pc.
Nope. The problem is that the standard created from console ruin PC experience. There are many technologies for PC but you can’t see them on the games simply because the standard of console.
In a perfect world every game will born on PC and after optimized on console. Well, if this world would be perfect you will see a difference between PC version an console version than now.
Last year a friend showed me a video of interesting feature for future games on PC. Why in future and not now? Because for the standards of console.
For you this is good but imagine if you can run with your car at the speed of a cycle because the standard of speed are based on them… you will be happy?
The optimization on console is very fun. For console gamers is the perfect use of all the power of the hardware, but in fact is cut things for run better the games on a poor hardware.
You said The Witcher 3, well, the optimization was done with the elimination of NPCs in the cities (I have already said that) and with a lower view distance. The standard of 1080p resolution was a standard of many years ago on PC and now people moving to 1440p.
The witcher 3 run ona 450$ PC better than on a PS4, with a more stable frame rate. Watch this video, please:
PS4 is comparable to a low power PC and average PC for gaming costs 700 - 800$, so the average PC are now more powerful than this new generation of console.
The Witcher 3 was downgraded because CD Project RED thought that the next-gen would be powerful as a middle-high spec PC but when them came out and they saw that are like a low spec PC, CD Project restart made The Witcher 3 with the console assets.
Are you happy to see that those old-gen 2.0 consoles slow down the developing of technology on videogames? This development concern the software because the powerful hardware it’s present. When a game born on PC even a lower computer can run better than new console this videogame, but until the developers continue to use console as a standard we can use all the power of our PC. One of my friend run Ryse Son Of Rome on his PC at 4K resolution and 144 fps and surprise?! His hardware, specially the CPU, wasn’t used at the maximum of its capacity.
Console hardware is not weak compared to a low spec PC, trust me. Compared to average PCs is weak.
Year by year the consoles are destined to lose their market supremacy. If only people would open their eyes this process would be more quick. Anyway, believe in what you want but, quick or slow, it’s unstoppable.
Well so far it looks like Warhorse is prioritizing PC and will be optimizing for consoles later on when the world is more complete. So once the puzzle is put together, the excess pieces for PC will be cut out and even more so on consoles. "read as optimization"
So yes we might see a downgrade on PC version, but definitely not as much as for consoles as their computing power is limited.
If we are lucky they will compromise so you won’t see a big difference between PC and console while keeping quality as high as we know it, which would be a very good situation. 
As for the rest of the thread. Consoles are out of breath. Why? Games locked in 720p and 30fps to run smoothly? Oh please. This already indicates there is something wrong with this generation and huge compromises must be made. All at the same time the player can not choose if to sacrifice frame-rate or some effects.
PC is freedom of choice and is not for lazy couch potatoes. Nothing against couch potatoes, I love to be one from time to time myself.
And for PC glorious 4K is here boys. 
nuff said
So once the puzzle is put together, the excess pieces for PC will be cut out and even more so on consoles. “read as optimization”
Cut out pieces is a must on consoles but for PC isn’t a wise choice. On consoles you have the same hardware and we know that if the game run bad to me it will run bad even to you.
Contrarily, on PC if you can’t run the game at Ultra settings like me you can change the graphic options make it run better on your PC. Why a PC gamer with a computer that can run games at 4K and 144 fps should play with 2D grass or less NPCs than a PC gamer that have a bad PC?
Optimization on PC must be a freedom to change options and not cut out pieces of the game like on consoles.
I don’t like the “communism” of the console where everybody must play at the same poor quality level, even the PC gamers. 
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Some pieces that are unnecessary and are causing too much trouble usually need to go away even on PC.
Just imagine some barely noticeable thing that has unnecessary impact on performance.
You don’t want that even on PC as it can free the performance for more noticeable features.
Got it? 