Read my post slower if you’re having this much trouble differentiating between what I wrote and what you interpreted.
(yawn)
Read my post slower if you’re having this much trouble differentiating between what I wrote and what you interpreted.
(yawn)
I think I skipped the second paragraph:P
However: “simply ignoring women as more than NPCs.” What does that mean? Ignoring them as more than NPCs?
Do I smell another thread that’s probably going to be shut down because people got way too off topic and can’t have a civil argument without name calling and sarcasm? Seriously people, if you want to bicker back and forth about women in gaming, go to a forum about gamergate. This thread is for ideas about player professions within the games main story that has already been put forth.
I think having side jobs would be a great idea. The first thing that pops into my head is the night guard mini game in Red Dead Redemption. Maybe a few things like that could really add to the immersion. I know that crafting will be based on mini games so maybe you could further that into making special pieces as a blacksmith or make a potion for some guys hangover in alchemy. It wouldn’t take too much effort but could be a fun way to make money, improve stats and generally add to the experience.
I love red dead redemption! Especially on hardcore mode. Night watch was always my favourite job!
To the civility thing: The crazy thing is… I STARTED THIS THREAD! I almost forgot. And yes I agree, this is not the place. And by “this” I mean anywhere on this forum at all…
In a game I’m interested I don’t really care if it is told from a male-only or female-only perspective, in particular in a story driven game. As long as the game and the story is good it doesn’t really matter. As a rule I don’t like when games give you a choice for your char and then don’t care in the end because your choices don’t matter as they are handled as totally replaceable stand-ins, in particular if you consider a certain degree of realism. Then even the bit of work going into your character choice is a waste of dev time.
So if the devs are not interested or not able (time/money) to individualize your game/story according to the players char choice, something limited like the mentioned stretch goal is the far better alternative.
Sure, they could have gone with female perspective from the start, but from your perspective then the men would have been disadvantaged.
As I have already written in another thred here on forum.
Problem with KCD is Middle ages… Women were discriminated at that time, point.
From historical point of view, and I strongly emphasize this is not
my point of view, woman is the devil’s tool and she should not be
trusted with important work. Thus the lack of female blacksmiths,
shoemakers, fishers and other crafts(wo)men…
Women belong to the cooking, cleaning, sewing, child birth and care, “light” manual work (like chopping wood, ie.), and she should not be trusted with weapon.
yeah, forgot looking pretty and take care of the male population as best as they could.
Therefore, I welcome the initiative from WarHorse, that they will include also few quests for “female” char, and I do have confidence they will make it as best as they can. But, it would be extremely difficult to create Medieval story, which would be playable as female char, and still keep the realism and some action around.
If you dont consider few days of embroidery as action. Or, once you wear male clothes, you get burned at stake for witchcraft (Jeanne d’ Arc is only few years in future from 1403, and she had QUITE a difficult time acting as a man).
This is really wise post.
With slight exceptions this was the case for almost the whole history of mankind. I understand feminism but I can not stop to see such bias is actually based on different social roles AND different mental attitude of MOST women (in comparison to men obviously) throughout the history.
The bold part is probably an irrefutable fact. The italics part is my opinion which I would like to explain i order not to be accused of gender bias or masculinism:
I am sorry to say that but eventhough I deeply honor the right of every woman to choose her path through the wilderness of life it is still highly disturbing to see women soldiers for me. I mean I consider myself to be quite open minded person (of rather liberal opinions) but still I am not able to surpress my feelings completely. Therefore I am perfectly able to cope e.g. with any subconscious racial prejudice because I deeply believe its an absurd, bad and week thing but I am not able to persuade myself that women are the same as men. There are real differences and I believe not just physical differences. The role of mother is definitely not the same as the role of father, the expected social role of woman is different from the expected social role of man: even in countries with high perceived gender equality there is still a lot of sexism visible, Hollywood and the whole US popculture which influence the whole world tremendously is brutally gender biased. (Bob Dylan is a star even in his old corduroy jacket, but try to send similarly dressed female singer on the stage, try to persuade some male popstar to appear in a swimsuit on the stage, it would be seen as quite a silly thing etc)
But still, this topic dont belong here as it was argued. The point is: different social roles of both genders is not specifically medieval thing. But from the late early medieval period (or the start of high medieval) women were genuinely marginalized as the instruments of devil and it took some time to suppress that attitude.
It would be possible to make a game set in the medieval Europe with a female protagonist. It would HAVE to be different game than a game with male protagonist. Warhorse has of course every right to choose a man. In fact most games set in medieval or early modern period has male leading protagonists.
It could be argued it would be the right thing to do to depict the period gender bias in the game. (And I guess its even possible taking the “burning witch” officially released picture into account.) But to choose a female player character just because its a woman would be in my opinion terribly silly. No one would probably argue contemporary trend to higher gender equality (e.g. salary, occupation etc.) is wrong. But to “correct (means censor) history” on the basis of contemporary trends is absurdly wrong.
hey if the quest-line from the stretch goal ends with her burning at the stakes, then it would be a complete female perspective - just a rather short one.
no one said it has to be equally long [ducks for cover]
it’s just like when you are watching a movie and you count the places in the plot, where the story could come to a short and violent end for your hero, if he just would be a tiny bit less lucky.
Star wars: They shoot the escape pod even though it has no life forms.
There always seems to be the great silly Villains moment of loving hesitation over the fate of the caught hero. And the apparent favorite part of every evil schemer - the great self-centered monologue.
But I would rather enjoy a romance with the millers daughter. Lets burn another witch if possible please.
Well how about you go spend your own time and money making a game like this instead of demanding the devs make a it to where you an play a female in the main story. The story is built around a male deal with it. You will be fighting on the front lines and doing things women would not have been doing at the time. I enjoyed tomb raider and you play as a female character in it.
I understand why its important to you, personally it wouldn’t matter to me, and i would happily support a playable female character, i would support an alternate female based storyline even more if it ment more great gameplay. And i also agree that it isnt to much to ask for either of those things (although and alternate story would take a little more time) I would like to say, however, that this game will not be an MMORPG, or just your regular RPG such as skyrim, were you can create you character how you please. It seems one of the main reasons there will not be a playable female character for the main storyline, is that the entire story is based of of one man and his quest for revenge, and that without the main character being specifically him, it wouldn’t work out at all.
Then you misread; it’s not. (As did all the other folk eager to take on those who think differently.)
I specifically said it didn’t matter to me, but that I could understand how and why it did to those who find it important.
It’s called “empathy”.
Well if you really didn’t care if as you are saying then why are are you arguing with people and complaining you cant play as a girl for the main story??
Strange how you seem to be the only one bringing it up though…
Not “my” perspective. I’m just wearing the devil’s advocate hat.
I do find it amusing how much trouble of you have separating between [the touchy subjective that shall not be named] and ALL WOMEN IN GAMING.
Seriously… shame on ya’ll.
thanks, noted, ignored I am not ashamed of my opinions.
Sauce for the goose, friend… if YOU don’t care, why do you need to take every opportunity you find (and make up ones when they don’t exist) to argue that any opinion but yours doesn’t matter?
I’ve told you what I’m doing… you (and others) continue to have difficulty distinguishing between it and what you prefer to think.
Succinctly? Not my problem.
Must have misread, sorry about that.