Advanced horse feature - waste disposal management(former "Horse - will it poop?!")

After some additional thought and given the expressed (sometimes immature) outcry in some answers, i decided to slightly rephrase the initial post so that it better resonates with the “wise” audience of this forum.
Also i’m really genuinely interested in game design, not some hidden coprophiliac…

I played only few games in which the horse was depicted - Assassin Creed 2, Last of Us and Skyrim. As far as i remember the animal secretion feature wasn’t implemented in any of those - e.g. in Last of Us the mission with the horses was too short & fast pacing so there wasn’t time for any such gimmicks, the AC2 and Skyrim were probably too mainstream and they weren’t ready for such “controversy”.
Also i agree that this gimmick feature fits nicely in MGS games given the specific humor already included in these games (e.g. different card-box covers).
But Warhorse is free of any corporate overlord, so why the heck no?

Anyway - i expect that any dev team that strives to digitally portray a living animal needs to create the design spec for it (with reasons why such & such feature will improve the game?) - what will be its movements, behavior, reactions, will it sleep, will it get tired, whether the user needs to feed it (or at least give some special treat - apple/carrot(?) - before the battle), whether it will drool/neigh and in the end - the core question of this post - whether it should be also able to excrete digital turds.

As anyone who was at least a bit around the real horses can attest - the horses are serious manure producers and they do so joyfully and in great heaps no matter what is the situation or context - so i would expect that all the dev. teams of above mentioned games had to deal with this question/situation in one way or another (and also whether it will have any benefit for the final outcome/game design).

My opinion is (after seeing what they did in MGS and after remembering the W statements how the horse is important to this game) - yes, it should be there; it might look gimmicky, but such occasionally turding horse would look much more lively than those artificial horses in e.g. AC2.
But i also see that in broader scope it might bring some challenges (timing, where, decomposition, why only horse and not other animals?)

Regarding some of the additional parts/additional comments

  • by me initially (half-seriously) suggested additional use of the feces for other purposes went probably too far, but i remember from my university times one particular Christmas party, during which the girls(!) pulled one particularly nasty prank and incorporated rabbit poo into a chocolate candies and then offered these to us ~ was it disgusting - yes, was it hilarious - hell YES! Could it be reproduced in some (most probably Japanese)game - maybe…
  • re secretion of other animals - i understand that this would be probably also “too much” and not really beneficial to the game (still it could bring some crude fun into the game!)
  • i do not understand why some of you dismiss this topic as “too low for this game/community” - it is a possible feature that at least one other blockbuster/AAA game (that will be played by millions gamers!) implemented, so i would expect that other serious dev. teams might re-consider/think about it; also from my point of view this topic is on same level as other on this forum discussed topics that could be already dismissed/closed…
  • and yes, i would rather like to play&discuss alpha right now as well, but you should complain about it somewhere else

Howgh Hatátitlá, long live the digitally pooping horse!


It’s Friday, so let’s discuss for a change here something “substantial”, something that will have certainly deep impact on the game and its portrayal of reality!

When watching the Metal Gear presentation i noticed that the horse was defecating (not sure whether automatically or if this was initiated by the controller in mighty Kojima’s hands) - http://goo.gl/lDP1dI - around 5:12-5:14 in the video

Can i hope that same feature will be available in KCD?

Also - as there will be other animals (i vaguely remember sheep, bear, rabbits, chickens ?) - can we hope to “meet” their excrements as well?

Will those have different size & texture depending on the “provenance” and diet of specific animal?

Also - will it be possible to interact with these stinking elements - e.g. randomly step into/skid on it or use it in some “dirty” combat (e.g. throw it at someone for provocation)? Or at least dry it and use it for some potions or add it to a beer of someone else?!

Could we finally find the answer to the ultimate question whether “the bear actually sh$@t in the woods?!”

So many questions…

p.s. if “interested” in this topic, please limit your answers to this thread only to animal poops(!), results of human defecation is rather ordinary and i think it was already discussed few times(?)

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Wow, just wow!

I would give you some answers to that, but last time they censored my answer to the question related to the corpses&gore, so I’ll rather keep quite before they ban me for talking out loud while paying USD 70.

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I think I lost my faith in the community somewhere between those lines.

Please help me find it.

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You missed your chance on this one. Should’ve named the thread “Excrement, who’s with me?”

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well - if Mr. Kojima can do it, why not KCD? I know - his budget is a bit different of what W. has available, but still, it could be one of those tiny “improvements” that would bring in other posts so much sought “reality”!

Alright, here comes the vote: Anyone who wants me to close that topic, before it gets too messy, just like my post! If it reaches 10 people over the weekend, this topic closes. If it doesn’t, then the talk goes on. Sounds fair, right?

And I’m serious. I don’t know whether to close it or to see if someone comes up with some good ideas.

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Honestly, horses and other animals will crap. That’s nature. That’s reality.

I don’t think Warhorse needs to budget time and money into doing anything with it for the game itself, unless they really want to. I’m fine assuming my horse is doing its business off screen when I’m busy with something else, and that piles of manure are dealt with in some form or another.

Why is it this is the first thing that came to mind on reading this subject:

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I don’t understand…

Kojima’s horse can poop freely and officially on big screens at Gamescom and here, on forum for video game that claims its wish to bring historic reality to video game ( including horses, right?!) you want to close it?

Or why the headbob topic can be freely discussed, but this topic gets almost immediate ban?! Even if it might be really not needed in the game?!

Why so squeamish??? POOP!!!

If they do poop imma scratch off my plans of mass murder in the game for a bit and just go around covering every person in game and i mean every single person in horse poop. If i have to ill bring my horse into the castle to poop on the king, or i may just snatch up a big fat one and throw it.

Ps dried horse manure can be used as fuel for a fire or a ember holder as can any herbivore animal’s(supposedly it also wards off mosquitoes when burnt) . So that might be a use for it

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That’s the spirit!!!

Fire about to die? Your lord wont let u cut wood? Worry no more feed your horse our new extreme laxative! Viola in a mere 12hrs you can have fuel for your fire!

Warning: may cause extreme harm to the horse. May cause your neighbors to burn down your hovel due to extreme amounts of manure spillage on thier persons. Your horse may develop homosexual tendencies.

As I just wrote, I don’t want to close it, I just want to know if the community wants to have it closed as the first comments on that subject were not working as you might have expected. The way Kojima provided that feature in that scene was just like a funny moment. Also the way he made that jeep “disappear” was more of a joke than actual realism. So I’m wondering if you’re trying to be as funny as Kojima and emphasise more on that certain joke than he did or if you seriously want to know more about the possible use of manure in the game.

If someone has good ideas, I’m welcoming them to join the conversation. But I don’t want to see those red flags in the upper right corner flashing all the time because the discussion consists of verbal diarrhea. So instead of acting like a uber mighty moderator making topics disappear, I’m offering the community an option and you are also part of the community, which means you have a chance to make a change as @Flashfire got to let you know in his first comment about the topic.

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wasn’t it mentioned horses will poop? or maybe i’m conflating things. to be honest, the pooping in mgs5 seems gimmicky. like a “hahaha” feature with stupid gameplay mechanics(make cars spin out. wtf)

What question comes next? Are there gay animals? Do all npc real poo to? Will be a Timetravel maschine there?

Wenn i read the forum s toppics i must shake my head and cant belive some of the questions.

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I’m with you!
This is a very good idea! And I have a another possibility with the poop, it can say something like if the animals is near the zone or very far, what animal is etc etc that’s a important information for the hunters, no?

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Dont we have any other topics to discuss anymore?!
I think time for alpha has come so we have new things to talk about.

and to answer this topic: I dont think we need to get this far in terms of realism.

But will the horse need to eat something? That may be a more interesting question.
Without eating first it wont be able to poop
In my opinion the horse should have stamina but shouldnt feel any hunger. At least you dont have to care about that.
I dont think it would be fun if you have to ride away fast and your horse isnt able to cause its hungry.
Would be nice though if its just eating independently if it is waiting somewhere… and here we are again… will it poop?!

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You do not hunt so often, I think. If hunters would chase farts, mankind would become extinct. :slight_smile:

Animal scat particularly fresh ones are the best indication there is a animal in the area…

And @pagerocker since im lazy i dont want to make another post: you sir are ignorant there are homosexual animals in the world, Humans included.

P.s i dont think your pray the gay away campaign will work.

I talk only about a rpg! I Dont care about gay , poo, fart and Other Stuff in a GAME.

THEASE things Are the last for me i need in a GAME.

So dont say that iam ignorant about this things.

I make a Differenz between reallife And a pc game.

Maybe this can be funny in a GAME But first prior should be the mainstuff in a rpg and not such things.

And i have gays at work and in the suroundings of my friends.and i DONT have a Problem with anybody…

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