Anyone else alittle paranoid of knife attacks?

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#789

this is exactly why many Europeans hate americans because you all have this attitude that you saved us from destruction when you did no such thing and in doing so you spit on all the commonwealth troops graves and all the other european nations or gave everything to rid the world of the evil that was hitler and kaiser

we can also say we saved you as hitlers real desire was for the british with german support crush the USA hence why you even created war plan red to try and defeat us . the US played their part like every other nation dont make it out like you saved the world

#790

id question anyoneā€™s mental state if they kept count , you do what needs to be done to get out of the situation and personally i never thought further than that

#791

If it wasnā€™t for our suplies we sent you hitler would have easily starved you into surrender. There was one land battle the U.K fought Germany in before we entered the war and you used American tanks. You were trapped on your little island till we showed up. We did not have to go and invade france with you. We could have just fought the japs who had already wrecked you in Burma. Without us you would have no been able to invade france. We divided Germanys front if we didnā€™t enter the war either the soviets or Germany would be ruling Europe. I think it would be Germany seeing how they could send the bulk of their troops to fight the soviets instead of having to send troops to 3 fronts. We pretty much won the Pacific war by ourselves russia helped towards the end but Japan was pretty much done at that point. I have great respect for the british troops during world war 2 you probably had the best pilots. And like wise we could not have invaded france without your support. You most certainly would not have won ww2 if we did not join Russia or Germany would be the ones controlling Europe. I dont hate on British troops calling them dumb cowboys like you called American troops. I have enormous respect for any one whoā€™s served. I dont even have anything against british people but you despise the United States for no reason what so ever. Everyone did there part in World war 2 i never said we single handedly won Europe but we did lose many men which Europe seems to forget. The only thing we asked from you in return was land to bury our dead. You piss on their memories and im sure the british who fought in world war 2 would be ashamed of your petty hatred towards us because im wiling to bet they didnā€™t hate us. Seriously what have we done to deserve such hate from you guys? The sad thing despite all the hate we would fight along side you guys without a moments hesitation.

#792

It is a job you do. Nothing wrong with that. There are some armies that break and make soldiers instead of honing their skills and keep their consciousness. This is the difference in ā€œeliteā€ european soldiers and the rest. Even more so anti-terror units not under military command. Their goal is even harder. Go in, save lives and get out. Lethal force is, indeed, the ultima ratio in these situations. Unlike military units where a success is also ā€œunit lost, target eliminatedā€.

@SirWarriant Even if that was the case, he told the story to the press. Even if the POS gave his address and phone number to the public, you donā€™t talk about your job. This is what separates the true warrior from the average.

Donā€™t get me wrong, I donā€™t blame him for what he did. He was pissed and tried to tell the truth before rumors start. It is still against the purpose of a clandestine anti-terror unit to talk to the public even if their story has been sold to hollywood already. Take a look at such goons as Jessy Ventura or Chris Kyle (RIP). They are treated as shit after their duty ends and have no place in society with all the tree huggers and hippies. Same thing happend after Nam and the Gulf War. Still, there is a code of honor to live for and die for.

They should not do the job for money or fame like a cheap porn star. Their reward is the freedom of their country and fellow soldiers. This canā€™t be paid in Dollar, Pound or Euro. It is paid in blood and tears. And most of all silence.

#793

When did he talk about his job the Obama administration is the one who blabbed about it they cant keep their fucking mouths shut about anything that could threaten our security just recently they blabbed about how our nuclear arsenal is out of date! He is the worst president we have ever had in our country! But yes it is sad when people piss on vets coming back from the war usually its the liberals who do it.

This is why i hope we never enter a war on the side of Europe again. Our soliders get compared to cheap porn stars who just do it for the fame. There are many countries who have the right to Hate America no country in Europe has that right. Our allies hate us more than our enemies do. I hope we just realize there is no point in being allied with any country that wishes death on us and hates us.

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#794

When a man shoots another man, because of the moral complex that society has programmed onto our brains, is a very very traumatizing experience

#795

when a man lets himself, his family, and his friends become harmed due to a moral complex instilled by society, it is a very painful consequence.

#796

I think we should just leave the world to their own devices. With in a month they will be crying for our help and directions. They hate us until a war brakes out and are happy to accept our help then after the war they condem us for it and claim we didnā€™t show until the end. We export 95% of the worlds grain and meat so when we collapse i hope they enjoy starvation:) Not to mention we are still trying to clean up the mess Europe left Africa in we give more humanitarian aid then any other country.

World- why are we hating?
U.S-because you have to hate us
World- But you didnā€™t do anything wrong

U.S- because we are the hero the world deserves but not the one they need right now, so they will hate us becauseā€¦ we can take itā€¦ because weā€™re not a heroā€¦ weā€™re a silent guardian,ā€¦ a watchful protector, ā€¦ a dark knight

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#797

learn some hstory , the commonwealth lost tons of blokes out their .
the war was won by a combined world effort not by any one force , get some respect .
i cou;d tare your argument apart but at the moment im pissed so ill just go to sleep instead

#798

i think one aspect is jealousy, thatā€™s just a normal human nature. the small and neglected, irrelevant and weak will always look upon the successful, strong, and exceptional with contempt and envy.

thatā€™s just the price of being at the top.

and you will find even within that society, people who for one reason or another, feel they are owed more from the governments and institutions, and will make it their mission to undermine its achievements. again, that strong emotion of entitlement and jealousy comes to the surface.

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#799

Wat you got the shit kicked out of you in Asia you got wrecked in Burma, Singapore, Malaya, Thailand, French Indochina Andaman and Nicobar islands. After you lost in those places Japan had to stop taking over your territory and focus on fighting us. You guys did about 1 third the lifting in Europe, the U.S and Russia did the other 2 thirds. Granted we both need each other in Europe without you we couldnā€™t invade France effectively and without us you wouldnā€™t have had the man power to defeat Germany. We also kept you feed and supplied while Hitler bombed the hell out of London. The only contribution you made to the pacific war was getting your asses kicked in Asia. The United States pretty much single handedly beat Japan. Russia was one of the deciding factors that made Japan surrender. The threat of U.S invasion followed by more nuclear bombs and the threat of a Russian invasion was enough for Japan to surrender. Russia captured some key islands but the majority of the heavy lifting in the pacific was done by the United States. Please try and ā€œtear my argument apartā€ but you wont be able to.

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#800

Most major wars the US fought were unsuccessful. Exception WW1/2 and small scale conflicts.

Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Iraq, Afghanistan. Funny thing is, the US still count both Iraq wars as victorious. Well, by the military standard to reach a specific goal, yes. From a strategic perspective not at all.

I am not hating Americans, I just dislike their attitude. Some are indeed great folks, some are completely bonkers.

America used to be a great nation, the true land of milk and honey, over the years it degraded by greed, intolerance and ignorance. And not the POS is responsible for the well being of a country, it is the people. Not everyone in the world can vote and decide who will rule, some countries decide such things for you.

The fight which country is the best canā€™t be won. Would be like the hilarious fight ā€œM16 vs AK47ā€

The allies freed Europe, not a single country. It would be disrespectful to think otherwise. Many have lost their lives in the only just war. Most of the wars thereafter were either unnecessary, made-up or provoked. This is not just about the US involvement in the world, there are many other players that start wars/conflicts.

#801

Mexican American war Spanish American war American revolution the civil war the Indian wars are all successful examples of the U.S military. Korea was a coalition of U.N forces so if that counts as a loss for the United States it counts as a loss for most of Europe as well. Vietnam was lost politicly the 60s was a time of scum in America and sadly many younger people today want to act like the shit heads did in the 60s. Do you think ww2 would have gone as well for the Americans if the streets of D.C were lined with protesters every day? I donā€™t think we should have gone into Vietnam to begin with but leaving them prematurely is similar to what happened in Iraq. We attempted to train the South Vietnamese army to combat the North and the Viet Cong all by themselves. As soon as we pulled out the south lost very quickly. We betrayed south Vietnam by doing that. When we actually started putting the full force of our military behind huge bombing runs into the north we started to make progress but this was towards the end.It was never against the north Vietnamese we had trouble with it was the guerilla Viet Cong in the south that was giving us a hard time. Britain was unable to defeat the 13 colonies even though they were vastly out manned out supplied and had worse training. The soviets were also defeated in Afghanistan it is very difficult to get rid of Guerilla fighters. The British still donā€™t have the IRA under their thumb even though its been around 100 years. The same situation is happening in Iraq we left too early the Iraq military is not strong enough to combat ISIS.This is not just Americas fault Britain also claimed they had WMDS and wanted in there as much as we did. Obamaā€™s a dip shit and decided to leave a Iraq to the Iraq army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfSwS4OO51w
Our fearless leader thought it was a good idea to leave the country in the hands of these guys.

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#802

In-country wars were what made America the US of A. Fight the inhabitants, claim their land, profit. Great example of a great nation, huh?

Korea was not an EU operation. South Korea and US were the main combat force, UK had about 15k troops (over 300k US troops). So it was not an EU failure as they did not have command, the US did. The support groups were not at the front line all the time (if at all).

As for 'Nam, the US did the same the French tried before. So they basically did not learn a bit from their fiasco. Bombing runs were not successfull in WW2 nor were they in Vietnam. The Vietcong and NVA had tunnels that were bomb proof. They just crawled deep into their caves, drank tea, listend to Uncle Ho and waited for the end of the Arclight raids. After the last bomb detonated, they simply crawled back out and did what they were before as nothing had happend. Read some first hand experience of MAC SOG, SEALs and LLRPs that did the BDA after such B-52 runs. The US murdered the farmers instead of helping them fight the VC. You donā€™t expect them to help the US/South when you just throw napalm on their huts?

The Russians were beat in Astan because of the USA. Now the USA has to deal with the very Taliban they let rise to power after the soviets retreated. Same mistake all over again, nothing learned from Vietnam or Korea.

The issue with foreign wars is that the peple definding their nation have something to lose. The common GI only does what his superior tells him. In WW2 there was a omnipresent threat to the world, so they fought with dedication. In Astan and Iraq most soldiers only do what they are told, not because they feel it is right to dabble in foreign politics.

Britian is involved in most US interventions, of course they have to say there are WMD, otherwise the people would not support the war at all.

And whoever thought you can win in Iraq or ASTAN is blind and dumb. You can not win a guerilla war as long as one fighter is alive. And asymmetic warfare can not be won, there is no frontline, no indication how many are still active. The IRA simply ceased to openly act against the government, they still exist.

The Iraqi soldiers are only as good as the ones teaching. While in WW2 the avarage soldier could actually shoot, the soldier in Vietnam was unable to hit at 25m. With the modern fully automatic weapons, precision was not deemed necessary, a wall of lead was the new ā€œtacticā€. Same as carpet bombing. Simply does not work as one well placed shot.

So basically you can look at history and see that war does not work when the people are not into the cause. Look at foreign wars in the past. Only WW2 was a success and directly lead to war against communism, so not really world peace.

#803

you my boy are the most uneducated person ive ever met . i suggest you really look up the commonwealths role in the pacific . we like you were taken completely by surprise and lost major ground at first but we fought back hard and burma turned into a bloody struggle we push to japan side by side . you spit on every single soldiers grave who fought in WW2 that wasnt american with the shit you are coming out with .

you should read about the liberation of rome its a classic example of the glory hunting the USA was interested in .
to put in in brief for you the candians along with indian troops etc push the germans back all the way up itally it was some of the hardest fighting candian troops have ever been involved in they lost thousands as did the indians .
when the candian troops were but a few miles from rome . lieutenant General Mark Clark made a decision many candian vets havnt forgiven the US for , he ordered all candian and other commonwealth forces to withdraw from the area and be replaced by his own 5th army (us forces ) who then marched into rome and were paraded as the liberators and saviours of itally when i reality they did about 10% of the hard fighting

#804

the true IRA are defeated actually what is left are just a load of hooded teenagers looking for trouble the days of the proper IRA are long gone they were defeated .

#805

Iā€™m gona take a wild guess and assume that @TheDivineInfidel nor @SirWarriant took part in world war 1, or 2. I know it happens but would you pleas stop saying we. This is persisly the reason why ā€œeuropeansā€ ā€œhateā€ ā€œamericansā€, stupid generalisations and people puting too much stock in made up nations. (Itā€™s not like there are nations that arenā€™t made up). I donā€™t identifie with the Austro-hungarian monachy or Nazi-Germany when it comes to these conflicts and even the parties I have the most symathie for during this time donā€™t represent me.

I personally donā€™t hate the american people or the american state. Americans themselves however seem to be disturbingly aginst their goverment being involved in governing america. ā€œSmall govermentā€ is one of the things that america stands for that I donā€™t personally like. An other thing, that I belive iretates europeans is the arrogance of sometimes refering to your president as ā€œthe leader of the free worldā€. It seem weird to always justifie anything you do by doing it in the name of freedom and Democracy when america is hardly the only Democracy in the world anymore. To claim leadership over all Democracy while only being elected by one is paradox. Yet it seems america is playing ā€œworld policeā€ and the UN mostly isnā€™t more than itā€™s puppet.

I choose to belife a brit admited to being a european there. Japan and China (and the rest of the world) joind WWI on the side of the Entente too. Germany and Austro-Hunagaria never would have had a chance even without US intervention. They only kept fighting so long by distributing all resources to the militery, at the expence of the civilian population. The people ended the German Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Monachy, Entente than dictated peace treaties to some of the newly found Democracies.

I highly doubt the Nazi goverment could have prevaled without US intervention either, but in any case intervention was without a doubt the right choice, and Iā€™d be greatful to the people actually involved were I confronted with them.

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#806

i agree like i said before all nations contributed to the allied victory not just one or even two or even three for that matter . it was a joined effort that required immense sacrifice.

haha rather out of character of me i must say as a UKIP supporter :stuck_out_tongue:

#807

and you shit on american soldiers, so i guess you two are even :wink:

#808

i have the up most respect for every person who has served their country regardless of the country the come from even the german troops of WW2 have my full respect as like the young british americans and russians etc they were placed in an awful position of having to fight for their life day in day out .

i may disagree with tactics and the level of education that US troops receive but i certainly do not lack in respect for them .
my anger lays at the top of the command chain where politicians are prepared to send young lads into war under equipped (british army ) or under trained (US army )

you may get all defensive and go on a "the USA army is the best your jealous " but in doing so you contribute to your own nations issues .
the US military as a whole is equipped beyond belief with the worlds best tech in most area but the troops lack in crucial areas , this isnt all troops by this i mean your fresh out of training types. blokes with 2 tours under their belt have generally ironed this issues out and are top notch troops . but your 18 year olds are lacking hugely and this is extremely noticeable to other forces especially the taliban . im talking about things such as using the same route everyday on patrol little things like this cost lives as the taliban constantly draw up what routes you take etc and plant IED so its crucial you switch routes daily dont stick to tracks etc .

where as the british army are the most highly trained force on the globe but we lack HUGELY in equipment so its crucial our training is the best so we have the ability to make swords from sticks and gold from shit and this also has cost many many young lads lives over the course of the war . when you combine our two forces you do have a unstoppable fighting force but we could be even better

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