Bows and stealth

No but I’ve seen one go under my car and cost me nearly £1500 to fucking fix my bumper wasn’t that funny I have to say :slight_smile: although I get the satisfaction of reducing it to a Bit of sticky meat on the road

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Where i live Foxes are no trouble around humans. I used to live in the middle of a city and a fox would always run through my back yard. He or she was friendly with my dog and they would kinda sniff at each other. They are bit too comfortable though. I wouldn’t trust a fox around a smaller dog.

Out of curiosity do you hunt big or small game? And do you live in the U.K?

Well im not a very strong person and i can pull an 80lb bow. Sure after 12 arrows or so my shoulders and arms on fire but i can do it :wink:

Holy shit 1500 just for hitting a fox. You’re lucky you didn’t hit a deer your car would be trashed.

I dint ment that you have to be super strong to use 80lb bow. My point was that even strong person cant make 120lb bow of 80lb bow. ie that being strong doesnt hep you if there are no powerful bow.

Well lets talk about Crossbows in stealth. Ive never really shot one so i don’t know how loud they are but the crossbow would help if you had to say assassinate a knight in plate but you don’t want to get that close.

I shot a crossbow replica few times and in my opinion it is a little bit louder than bow. Still not as much as falling soldier in steel armour : )

Crossbow has great advantage of being loaded, prepared to fire any time. Combine with easy aiming it is really malicious weapon. If you dont mind the reloading…

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no it wouldnt be trashed :slight_smile: the price makes it sound bad when in reality it was just a cracked bumper which had to be replaced then sprayed to match the car . but the car has parking sensors along the front so it costs alot to replace such a small part .

oh no?

And this is only a deer. Imagine if you hit an elk? Or how about a moose? Or un likely but not impossible where i live a buffalo. Those things would wreck trains if they hit them.

im not saying it wouldnt do serious damage but i was driving my fiance’s range rover at the time so there quite high .

so yes would cost me alot of money to sort but wouldnt totally wreck the car and if it did i have insurance that would pay but i didnt want to loose my no claims as it would pretty much double what i have to pay a year

The only ones I have fired are modern ones mad from aluminum and they are all louder then a bow.


If it was for stealth I would go with bow V.S. crossbow. Cardboard box above anything else.

Every video I find from discovery or another professional publication add sounds effects.

I wouldn’t have ever assumed you to be a physicist, I think we’d be lucky to have one in the entire community. In saying that, you don’t need to be a physicist to understand the relatively simple equation. There’s even this pretty handy online resource called Google. It can make “physicists” of us all :wink:

Usually in my experience most modern bows come with a rating for speed in the form of FPS, or at the very least this rating is easily and readily available on the interwebs… If you know the majority of the variables like draw length, draw weight, arrow weight and any additional weight adding components in grains; then you can calculate the estimated FPS for your bow.

Look it up… or don’t

I’m sure there’s plenty of more advanced methods for it now, the aforementioned one seems like something (if it works) that might’ve been concieved well as early as the 15th century.

Speculations. :stuck_out_tongue:

Well, it’s a bit hectic as far as I know. I edited this amazing graph with the aid of the almighty Paint™:

I randomly drew two lines representing a bow’s pulling strength depending at the actual pull length.
We can see the problem starts at the bracing of the bow. ‘b’ value represents the distance we have to pull back the bow’s limbs in order to do so, and ‘a’ the force to keep it that way. Right now, under the dashed line, the bows keep an energy in themselves without using them at all. When we pull them, we are going further up on the graphs up to our anchoring points. At those point we can measure on the bows the ‘c’ values, those are the respective draw weights. One can see that this does not necessarily correlates the speed of the arrow: We can easily imagine a flat graph with a sudden increase near the wall of the bow, at the draw length. So we hold the bow with brute force, and yet barely any energy goes into the bow.
Now, that is the energy that goes into the bow - not the arrow, mind you. The bows have an efficiency, that is also not constant - it depends on the bow itself (for example, heavier bow limbs eat up more energy for their acceleration), but also depends on the arrow: with heavier arrows the efficiency gets better usually - but again, this doesn’t tell anything about the velocity of the arrow, it simply tells us what portion of the bow’s potential energy goes into the arrow’s kinetic energy.
…and on my graph both bows have the wall at roughly the same draw length, and the imaginary archer pulls with his/her given anatomy to the same distance and releases with the same technique, so we are not talking about different archers yet!

All in all, I have never seen a formula that gives good FPS results with only those data above. It is usually better to measure actually the arrow itself, either with optical gates or by ballpark estimates with the shooting distances and such, or making a rough estimate simply by taking the data of a very similar, already measured bow.
But I could be absolutely wrong too and such formula could exist, I do not know.

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I agree with you about bows, but I think it depends on the situation. Im assuming if your in a castle then MAYBE you’d want a short bow, but still, if you want to be stealthy I wouldnt use it. I would get a hatchet, that would be the best weapon in my opinion cause in reality with a dagger it can still take quite a long time for someone to die if you slit their throat, peirced their heart or both. I would just get the hatchet and hit the back of their neck snapping their spinal cord. Instant death.

Now say you’re at a bandit camp and there is a one man patrol quite a ways away from it and for some reason you want to take him out then yes use a bow. Idk everyone is going to be different about this.

EDIT: Just thought about how the hatchet or an axe would make noise. Dangit lol! I guess anything will make noise. It just depends on how much you make will determine if you’ll get attention or not. Best to get a rock and throw it to sneak by.

You could achieve similar results with a dagger. Stabbing them in the brain stem. Stabbing through the temple, or through the eye socket. Sure they might make a groan or something so you would have to cover their mouth with your hand.

Slitting their throat would actually be the worst of those options. 1 you would get blood all over you and the floor which would be easily spotted. 2 it usually takes about 1-2 minutes for someone to pass out after their throat has been cut. Theres still that 1 minute where they could be making noises and alerting people.

Ive always found that method unrealistic. If a guard is seeing rocks being thrown out of the bushes i think he would go investigate the source rather than chasing an inanimate object like they do in most games. If if they did follow the rock they would wonder where it came from and they would be on alert.

@TobiTobsen I know this is probably a long shot but will you be able to maybe disguise your self as a guard to perhaps sneak into places?

That’s a Design question… and IF that would be possible… then I am pretty sure that it would be conected to some quest! :slight_smile:

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Why not simply choke him? If you manage to get behind unnoticed and want no noice and blood its best way, in my opinion.

Well you would want to be certain he’s dead. What if you thought he was dead but you really just chocked him out and he woke up later and sounded the alarm. Another reason is he would be thrashing around like a fish trying to break your grip while you were choking him. This would make a lot of noise.

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Try that, it involves lot of wrestling and noise. It is not as easy as in Dishonored.

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Yes especially if they have any kind of armor on that would make things quite loud. As for the blood well as long as the knife was kept in the wound then there wouldn’t be too much blooding. Plus unless you hit an artery it wouldn’t be spraying all over. You might get someone on you but thats about it.