Buying a PC: Need advice!

Hardware & System
#21

The X came out last year, you don’t seem very wary of the situation.
And the X has more bandwidth and ram than a 1070.

GTX 1070 = 256GB/s and 8GB of VRAM.
Xbox One X boasts 326GB/s and 9GB of VRAM dedicated to games, so yeah … “blowing out of the water”, I wouldn’t say that.

A 1070 coupled with an i7 will perform way better than an Xbox One X, no question.

But again it depends on your build, this is why it’s not realistic to compare PC to a console because it’s volatile and depends on how much money you throw in your rig.

Xbox One X will perform better than a budget PC, and it’s only $500. It’s a good piece of hardware for the price and offers some high-end graphics for people who don’t want to bother with managing/building/maintaining a PC rig.

I’m planing on building a PC again in the near future for Star Citizen, but I’m going all out.
Aiming at 1.5K/2K computer, not even including the 4K monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc…

So yes, gaming on PC is definitely the best you can get in terms of experience, but you need to invest big bucks for it to be consequently better. Otherwise it’s not worth it, but that’s my opinion.

The gtx 1070 has been out for what? 2 years almost?

Maybe, and yet it’s still the same price as an Xbox One X that came out last year and features everything you need out of the box to game. A GTX 1070 alone is useless if you don’t already have a rig.

#22

You’re right. I’m not well informed with console gaming. What is this the third Xbox released in the last three of years?

I built my pc 5 years ago and in that time frame I’ve upgraded the processor once (100$ upgrade) and my gpu once (489$). So 589$ in 5 years vs 3 console releases? And you know most people had already bought the Xbox 360, and the Xbox before that. So I think I’m doing pretty well in the cost department. This isn’t even counting the number of AAA games I’ve bought for less than 20$ in steam sales in that time frame.

The gtx 1070 is still that price because it’s worth it. Think Xbox one x will still be selling for the same price in 2 years? No it will be about time to buy a new console…

#23

When it comes to pc performance the pc wins when you throw enough money at it. For $500 which is the X cost ,you cant build a pc to compare performance. That said X is locked in to its release state until a new console comes out. Have to realise that some gamers just are not into the building a pc part of gaming. Some have more in depth hobbies that dont include pc buiding. They just want to buy a gaming rig and play. When that console runs it life they buy the next best thing, as with everything in life. If your happy with the X fine, why knock it down because you have a pc? Who really cares which is better? Your pc might be better than a X, but Im sure there are other pc builds better than what you have and so on. This horse was beat to death the day the One X specs came out.

#24

Yes, sure, if you just need to upgrade a few components you’re alright with your actual PC.

But for someone that starts from nothing it’s not that easy, and remember, GPU cots went way up recently because of bitcoin miners.

Also, why would anyone buy 3 Xbox One? If you have OG Xbox One it’s the same as S, you don’t need to buy it again.

If you want to upgrade to Xbox One X that’s another story, but it’s clearly not the same performances. It can be compared to buying a new CPU and GPU for your PC.

I sold my Xbox One S and bought an Xbox One X in return, I paid 40% less because the store was doing an exchange operation. So that’s about $270 for a machine that can chew 4K@30fps … not bad right?

But yes, I love gaming on PC, I miss my endless nights on DayZ and Arma and can’t wait for Star Citizen.

The gtx 1070 is still that price because it’s worth it. Think Xbox one x will still be selling for the same price in 2 years? No it will be about time to buy a new console…

It’ll be at least 3-4 years before a new Xbox comes out imo. I’m totally fine in paying $400-500 again in 4 years, no problem.

#25

I’m not saying the Xbox one x isn’t a good piece of hardware for the price. It is. I was simply pointing out to someone earlier that the gtx1070 is more powerful than the xox. Also that building a pc and keeping it upgraded for years isn’t as bad of an investment/cost as people think.

Also, I believe the xbox really lacks the games and exclusives it needs at this point. I have a PS4 along with my pc because it has some great exclusives, and now I can’t think of any game that I’ve missed that I really want to play.

#26

its actually the best thing you can do

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#27

I definitely agree.

#28

I cant argue there. That is the one thing with Microsoft I dont get. They have some good games, but not like ps4.

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#29

Not really. Memory badwidth helps of course especially with textures. But you are forgetting system ram in your calculations which increases a PC bandwidth for all those things. Now, that is still besides the point as a 1070 has a lot more raw power than a on XBOX 1 X. And I mean a lot. It costs more because it is more expensive. If you look in the PC segment for the closest competitors you get the rx480/580 and the 1060 (3GB) which cost roughly half of a 1070 because they deliver half the performance. They perform on par with a 970 which is perfect for 1080p. It is a different game altogether. I don’t have anything against consoles but The system OP wants to get is far superior.

#30

The point I was trying to make, is that you can’t compared a closed system with a pool of memory to a computer, and that for several reasons :

1.A PC is volatile, the term “PC” on it’s own doesn’t mean anything, it can be a notebook, a Mac, a Mini PC or an entry level budget PC, or in best scenario, a High end PC rig.

2.Like you pointed it out yourself, a PC works differently. It has system memory and VRAM. While a console has a pool of memory to optimize data flow.

3.You can’t compare power realistically between a closed system that has custom APIs and optimization to the metal to a PC, which relies on drivers and the good will of developers to optimize for every GPU/CPU out there …

In terms of real world performances I believe the Xbox One X is somewhere between an 1070 and a 1080. Forza Horizon 3 running in native 4k with 4x MSAA which is pretty taxing is just unreal … To have the same level of performance (and I mean the same, not by toying with the settings on medium/low to make it run at same resolution, not the same) you need a pretty beefy rig.

What i’m trying to say, is that when a game is tailor made for a specific hardware you’ll get more juice out of it.
This is why it’s impossible to compare both, that’s my opinion.

#31

Well, we are talking about desktops here so it is obvious when someone mentions a PC it is a desktop PC.

Console has a pool of memory that optimize data flow… up to a certain point and they have severe constrains over this unified memory pool namely having to use it for both CPU and GPU tasks which means that it will have both competing for the same resources which for a game like KCD it is clearly a disadvantage (their CPU is trash too).

You can. The "magical APIs only go so far. True a developer working in a closed system can take some shortcuts but it isn’t magic. The reason for the lack of details on this title in a console is because the hardware can only do so much. A 1070 is capable of pushing out much more because believe it or not, DX11 is a really good API and allows for very low level access like a console. That is why in titles that are not unoptimized ports, a PC can really pull ahead even from the XBOX 1 X.

It is not. Is it somewhere between an rx 580 and a 970.

FH3 besides being terribly unoptimized for PC, and i runs at 30 fps at 4K on a console. A 980 can do that and the only reason a 970 can’t is because the game is terribly optimized (at least it was when I played. Maybe patches fixed this).

KCD on the other hand runs 1440p 30fps on the XBOX 1 X on medium which a 970 is more than capable of doing. So in terms of performance there are no miracles. You buy 500 dollars worth of hardware you get 500 dollar performance.

edited because autocorrect is rubbish.

#32

@DLowman94 Take your question here: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/ These guys will get you into the best possible PC for your budget.

#33

OK, I see where this is going … We will have to agree to disagree here.

#34

That PC is the best for the budget. Seriously, I tried a virtual build with similar specs and I had to go to second hand parts to even be in the same ballpark. That is a seriously good price.

#35

I saw, that my post said kid and I apologise. I typed KCD but smartphone autocorrect did its wonders. I am not being condescending of you.

#36

No problem, no offense taken. :wink:

#37

8400 + 1070 + 16gb ram is a great mid-range combo for the price.

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#38

You get what you pay for. My PC will make mincemeat, no matter how you measure it, out of any console.

#39

And I thought my fx6300 and r9290 with 8 gigs was mid range lol your pc will make mincemeat of my pc which pretty much makes mincemeat of consoles buddy :joy:

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#40

Oh that’s not my PC, that’s just my recommendation. My pc is an i7 8700k at 5ghz, a 1080ti and 16gb lol, oh and the game installed on a samsung 960 pro. It’s kind of the best case scenario for the game, I could get more RAM though.

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