Homosexuality In The Game/Time Period

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#146

That’s not the topic of the discussion.

Personal feuds are much better solved via PM’s or a good old-fashioned duel with pollaxes.

I’m rather certain homo- and least bisexuality existed and was present at almost any time in the history of mankind. A subtle approach to acknowledging the -existance- of those sexual orientations would be the most suitable for this game, I think.

And with subtle, I mean slight double entendre towards it from persons who are of that orientation. Nothing obvious - just a comment here and there, and only if they like the person they talk to/about. Could even just be harmless but more frequent compliments towards the gender in question.

Subtle. That would be they key for this game if it were to incorporate homo- and bisexuality.

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#147

Liked.

I’m fine with that. Thanks for the post.

#148

the game’s going to be brutally honest, so the lgbt agenda people, if you want homosexuals in the game, you’re probably not going to like what you see anyway. this isn’t some bioware fantasy construct where people living in some supposed far away time/place have the exact same morality as today.

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#149

It seems that you didn’t read my post at all.

I am suggesting that homo- and/or bisexuality should only hinted at in the game in rather subtle ways, if it’s to be incorporated at all. I study medieval arms & armour, history and society. I believe I have a much better idea of what the morality back then might have been like than you have.

Re-read my post and consider my suggestions for a subtle approach on the topic ingame.

After you’ve done that, try again.

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#151

I’d say there you go. Yet as team warhorse mentioned before homosexuality is already a topic for them to discuss. Yet a topic like this, is a possible PR desaster. I’m sure warhorse doesn’t want to shoot the elephant. And thus I suggest to leave homosexuality out. I dont want to see this game buried because of the media shitstorm if a headline like “Developers burn homosexuals at the stake” or “Computer Game allows persecution and burning of homosexuals” appears. They can burn witches, witches have no lobby nowadays.
Thus I would not implement homosexuality it at all.

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#152

You know…the bit about you studying medieval arms and armour,history and society…is it needed?Seems to be an attempt to somehow validate your argument via you implying you’re an expert?
You do realise that there will be many of us who have or do study history,archaeology etc. and thus trying to win kudos by claiming you must be more knowledgeable than others because of your fields of study etc.seems a little desperate.

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#153

if you want truthful and historical, it can’t be subtle. burning at the stake can hardly be called “subtle”, unless you want sloppy representation akin to self censorship, because there’s no point to include it at all, if that’s going to be the end result.

if you want subtle, like “nod” might as well not do it at all. don’t put things in the game just to appease a certain group harboring political agendas.

if someone claims they know more than you because they studied something, chances are, they don’t know anything. people who know things demonstrate it, they don’t refer to it.

#154

What are you even talking about? Can’t be subtle? You’ve completely missed what I was commenting on. I am talking about the way persons with the discussed sexual orientations might interact with others. As open flirtation was most likely condemned and the chance of punishment very real, it wouldn’t have been done out in the open. What remains for the people with the orientations in questions is being subtle about it - out of fear of the consequences that might follow.

I -never- talked about the consequences you mention in your last post.

Yes, nobility most likely had the means to do what they wanted including living out such a sexuality without ever feeling the backlash, but I’m quite sure some villagers in remote towns were able to do so as well. And ultimately, it’s very likely that many homo- and bisexuals of the age simply ended up getting engaged with the other gender and having children, while still retaining their original orientation. That’s happening even today, but the pressure to choose that path was most likely much greater back then.

No, they didn’t have the same morality as today, but they were humans. Besides, I’d like the concept of medieval society being a horrible place with completely different morality to be removed from this world. Humanity as a whole was already quite advanced by the 1400’s. Some always ended up going the wrong path, but that’s still happening today, just look at the current crisis that’s all over the world.

@Tazman1965
You’re interpreting too much into it. My personal belief is that 213 came across like a knowitall himself, very much so, actually. I took care to write “I -believe- that I have a much better idea”, he on the other way presented his opinions as facts. And I feel they are very stereotype and uneducated opinions at that. So I merely reminded him there are other people out there with probably more accredited opinions than his, it got nothing to do with me trying to gain kudos.

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#155

Guys, let me remind you that majority of people living in the Czech republic grew up in a system where political agenda and propaganda was forced into their lives (there’s even a very popular movie about how a communist committee forces comedy authors to introduce topics of modern socialism into historical plays). Given this historical background, we are extremely sensitive about being pushed by whatever influence groups and ideologies (e.g. political correctness, which is a very foreign concept to our culture). Please be respectful to our history and culture and let the developers create the game, hero, and story according to their preference and not according to any current political or personal agenda.

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#157

This is not sexual fantasy game so there’s no need for homo’s or any other sexual minorities. As said many times, there was not public homo’s at the time so i can’t see why they should be in game.

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#158

yep, it would be hilariously incongruous. most games set in modern or recent times don’t even bother with homosexuality, because it literally adds nothing to the game.

the only people who do right now is ea games, so you know its inclusion was simply marketing strategy to appeal to lgbt activists who think they should be represented in every form of media available.

@ElricVonRabe, all i’m saying is, don’t cry when they include homosexuals and they end up being tortured and killed in the game.

you seem to want them to include homosexuals, but you want to sugarcoat the experience.

#159

You got that wrong then, sorry.

I don’t want anything sugar coated.
I’m not going to cry if they do include them and they end up being tortured or killed.
If they do, they simply weren’t discreet enough - or not in the position where one can do as they please without repercussions.

All I’m trying to argue for here is the -existance- of homo- and bisexuals at the time.
I already acknowledged that they would have to be discreet and careful about it. Hence my suggestion of subtle comments and signs that a character swings that way. Stereotypical homosexuality out in the open is definitely NOT suitable.

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#160

LOL… nobody here refuses their existence at the time.

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#161

Nobody denies homosexuals in the medieval era. But homosexuals are a difficult topic nowadays. And there is simply no gain in implementing them. You can ofc. always go the masseffect way and just let it look like its widespread and normal and nobody cared at that time but then this would ruin authenticity. And warhorse can’t simply execute peasants for being homosexuals. That would be a very dangerous topic.

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#162

Warhorse wouldn’t be the ones executing anyone. That’s like saying the history channel executes people by talking about history. Also, it seems to be popular belief that homosexuals were executed, persecuted, and thought of as evil. I’m not saying this isn’t the case, but would someone please provide actual documentation regarding homosexuality in the time period and geographical location.

#163

Best I have is [wikipedia][1] :-(. I would like to look at John Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality pages 289-291 but I don’t have acces to this book.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_medieval_Europe#Punishment_in_medieval_times[quote=“Madaras, post:162, topic:7405”]
and thought of as evil
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I wouldn’t say evil… Just sinners maybe perverted.

#164

you comments quickly contradict you

So being bisexual contradicts myself because I’m saying “don’t include it for various reasons” ? Ha. Only in your twisted mind where the “Accept my stance and denounce any other or you’re narrow-minded,” argument persuades anyone of your facade. Perhaps if you bothered to cease your assumptions, looked up the definitions of the words you attempt to use, and asked for clarification you would appear less irrational. Since you clearly misunderstood let me take the liberty to do just that for you.

Fetish: a need or desire for an object, body part, or activity for sexual excitement

Context: Bioware is catering to every taste under the maxim “Sex sells”. Many companions or LI had their own “thing” to attract particular people with particular tastes, be they common or uncommon.

Example: DA:O had bondage, submissive, dominatrix, threesomes, foursomes, straight, bi, gay, and voyeurism, with plenty of suggestions of others amongst your companions and love-interests throughout the game.

Point: Keep sexuality out of the game, especially when it’s so forced and doubly so when it’s about topics that didn’t exist back then. Don’t turn the game into a sexually driven adventure where everyone can find a companion that appeals to their sexual tastes.

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#165

I really don’t care if you believe me or not because quite simply I have no need to prove something that cannot be proven to someone like you. So go ahead.

#166

I wouldn’t mind having a realistic approach to a homosexual lifestyle in a medieval setting. If it adds to the story, why not. Though I fear it could bury the project in a shitstorm. This thread is already the most controverse discussed thread in this forum. And this is a closed community. Alot of arguments are already on a personal level. Imagine this topic to be discussed in the endless space of the www. I fear there would be shitstorm after shitstorm and for what gain? I think Warhorse could put those ressources to better use somewhere else.

#167

realistic approach to homosexual lifestyle=not out in the open, therefore, not in the game.

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