I don’t think it should play any role … whoever was drawn to fellow males hid this as it could cost his life - with maybe the exception of very powerful men who used their power as a lever to exploit people of much lower standing (and even they would not do so openly) … but I think the game should not go this way
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personal note:
Why do some people keep linking “homosexuality or whatever sexual minority” and “sexual|erotical fantasy” together?
It is follows the same nonsensical line as:
>There will be heterosexuals…
>Oh hell, no, no sex. Y U make porno?
Homosexuality in this game, if present, will be a deeply personal, social or religious topic. And it will be historically accurate and authentic or none.
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Why not? It could add complex, adult, human drama to the story. Well written quest (for example you might uncover somebody’s secret and blackmail them, expose them to the local priest or choose to help them) would be awesome!
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I would love to see it historically correct. And opposed to what some may be saying that does not mean that it should not be in the game, but rather that it can be a dangerous road to take.
The #1 thing that would bug me, and does bug me in RPG’s is lack of freedom.
To those claiming it is pushed upon you everywhere I have only one thing to say “Grow up”, no one is actually pushing it on you.
I would love to homosexuality in the game, because it has always existed. Even if there are some cultures that does not respect it.
Because I know that most of the people opposed to the idea do not mind a female-female homosexual couple, but frown upon a male-male couple.
And the solution is very simple, if one do not like male-male couples then don’t play one. 
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Erm… I stand to be corrected but I’m almost positive that homosexuality wasn’t really that much of an issue outside of the more rabid congregations… maybe frowned upon but not actively engaged…
Organised religion was just winding up its insane puritanical engines and getting ready to troll the world…
The armed services, at least from some of my sparse reading, were surprisingly tolerant…
I was thinking this too… I mean, I’m all for gay rights… but in such a troubled time I can’t imagine homosexuality being portrayed in any kind of good light anyway. And I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable glorifying its persecution.
Personally I’m thinking a lot of people are assuming we’re going to have a lot more character freedom than we probably actually will. I mean… as far as I’ve seen… its a set character in a set narrative.
Varys is a eunuch. Most eunuchs portrayed in most popular material are shown to be like him. It doesn’t mean he’s homosexual necessarily. Just that… all his junk has been removed from his trunk.
It was normal and accepted for the Greeks, not Romans. It has aboundantly existed in Roman society, but they had to hide it as they would have been ostracized from political life.
Mass Effect, Dragon Age 2, ahem ahem…I have no problem with anybody doing anything in their own private home, or even anywhere else public if it does not seriously overstep my tolerance limit (last time a girl and a boy was …seriously…they were almost f*king in the middle of the crowded metro train! I’m not a prude person but WTH?). Notwithstanding I was really sick of DA 2 male companions coming onto my male protagonist unrequited (I’m female btw). Its disturbing! We do not need games with sex simulators in them, either hetero or homo or whatever, thats my opinion. If somebody seriously wants that then he/she should find someone to have sex with in RL or watch pron, there is no real extra in watching 2 digitized character going at it. But its only MHO.
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I would agree with you, but for a different reason. Nobles of all sorts were surrounded by many other people (mainly servants) and having something like privacy was a very rare thing up until the modern times. There was most likely someone around to see or hear what they were doing at all times. Of course people could go to some remote location to do things in hiding, but in this case, nobles would cause way more suspicion than a simple peasent.
Where I agree with you is that nobles could possibly get away with homosexuality better than commoners because of there influence and power, using it to bribe or intimidate witnisses.
@War
@Trademark
The mere fact they couldn’t marry would be no reason for them being more homosexually active than others, since there was often a huge amount of people following armies, among them a big number of prostitutes or even the lovers of soldiers.
I understand where you were going with this idea but since we have no historical evidence to back it up, I must disagree.
Fun fact: There was a unit of soldiers in ancient thebes (not carthage, thanks for pointing that out, Tazman1965) called the “Sacred Band” which consisted of gay couples only; with the idea being that they would fight harder for their loved ones in battle.
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Pretty much like in e.g. prisons, where “basicly straight” men are sexually active with other men without considering themselves homosexual…
I totally agree with the idea of making this as a mod, since it would affect the character’s entire behaviour very much.
As you can see, Warhorse has no intention of making a sex simulator. So it should not offend your tolerance.
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The Sacred band was from Thebes…not Carthage.
So heteros think of themselves as normal and homos the other way round, which is fine. But the difference is that no one opened a topic about other existing sexual preferences. I think that is what @Dekssan meant by “propagating” this topic. In general, why does sexuality needs to be mentioned, in a medieval computergame which is obviously about knights, swords and fighting?
And the same can also be applied to sports (recently football and soccer), actors and so on. What is the need of telling the world, if no one really cares?
Sorry I didn’t take the time to read through all the posts, but i have some thoughts about the opening topic. Short: i don’t think there should be any homosexuality in the game (or any sexuality), and I simply don’t care how it was during that historical time period for homosexuals. Seriously, this is really up for discussion? Then why don’t we have every other “normal” aspect of life in games? Like in-game sleeping, where you can just watch blurred visions, dreams for a few hours about some nonsense, or the need to go to the toilet (i wonder how they solved it before the time of the toilet paper…). Or a QTE where you have to correctly chew those sausages and critical failure could resolve in choke and death. My point with these cynic examples is that this game simply isn’t about what is normal for us in our life now, this is about a story in a medieval historical setting mainly focusing on combat with swords and such. I wouldn’t be able to relate more to my character if he’d have to take a cr*p every few hours, and I wouldn’t call it immersion. Maybe you could make a mod later or something which i about this if that is what it takes for you to enjoy a medieval setting rpg. I do accept your orientation and your right to do as you wish, but this is a bit much in my opinion. If my opinion offends you, then I’ll humbly apologise, but my opinion will still be as is. (accepting free will has to be mutual after all)
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Not sure if it was already stated here, but there is one interesting case (well only one) about homosexuality from 1395, London - John Rykener case. Sadly, there is not said, what happened with him or what was his punishment.
Also, I’ve read somewhere that preHussite Bohemia was somewhat more tolerating than ‘western world’ so they weren’t sentenced to death but only whipped or forced out of town (by whipping)
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So you say you are sick of “it” and “they” are everywhere…Who are you talking about as “They”, you mean your fellow Human beings?
Then you say you “Tolerate”, well you clearly don’t tolerate it because otherwise you wouldn’t have replied to the post?
I think the OP was a little over the top with the original point but it’s not a major issue because that is real life, and since the game is about realism, well it fits to have different people and patchwork of society. With regards to Homosexuality just because something was illegal or frowned upon doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. That’s akin to say “We’ve outlawed Murder, so no murders can possibly happen”.
Doesn’t bother me one iota, what does bother me is hypocritical people pretending to be tolerant and then preaching an message of Paranoid Intolerance. The term you probably want to look up is “forbearance”.
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I already make my statement. So i just wrap it up for you - it’s not about gays, it’s about their propaganda (that’s that ‘it’ you are wondering about). It begins by gays and gay themes forcing into the games and ends up with some kid of marches and parades in streets with dancing half naked weirdos wearing leather pants and pink glasses (which just make a horrible picture of gays in the eyes of the rest of people and do harm to “normal” gays imo). Just keep your sexuality to yourself, it suppose to be private and intimate, i don’t really care about it and i have no problem with anything so far it’s not bother me. I’m not forcing my hetesexuality to nobody either. Have a good day.
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Sexuality isn’t private and intimate. I think you’re confusing sexuality with sex. Heterosexuals like the opposite sex. They get married, have kids, make movies, make video games, produce tv shows (these days with many sexual themes) and it’s a non-stop bombardment of heterosexuality everywhere you go. You can’t walk into a grocery store without seeing heterosexuality. I’m not even going to say it’s a bad thing, though when you’re propagandizing that homosexuals are every where flaunting things in your face that we need to stay in the closet/shadows/dark cave somewhere out of site so you as a heterosexual can walk around and never see two guys hold hands. That’s when I have a problem. I think many homosexuals in very liberal parts of the US go to extremes because of two reasons. 1 because they’re exhibitionist and 2 because they’re trying to be so extreme that normal is more accepted.