Yes, medieval people tended to be quite matter-of-fact about nudity simply because most of them had so little privacy. If you’re living in a one- or two-room house with half a dozen other people, you’re not going to get all squeamish about seeing them naked.
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Not even to mention the bath houses where people stayed a lot of time, talking with friends and business partners fully naked like in Ancient Rome. It’s one of these big myths about medieval times that everyone was dirty. That’s only partially true. Of course there usually was no functional wastewater system so the people had to relieve themselves in the streets, at least in big cities. Big medieval cities had really dirty and smelly streets, that’s right. But people themselves were way less dirty than you might think. Public bath houses were quite commom even in smaller towns and people had no problems with nudity at all, at least not with nudity among the same gender. Like in saunas and some public bathes today nudity was just a part of everyday life. 
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du hast recht, falscher Thread, sorry!
Aber wenn wir schon mal dabei sind, ist sicher schön, wenn das Spiel Nacktheit “anbietet”. Für welche Spielsituationen wäre es für den Spieler von Vorteil, nackt oder sagen wir “teiltransparent” zu sein? Als Frau…manchmal eventuell, als Mann…?
you’re right, wrong thread, sorry!
But if we’re at it, sure is nice when the game nudity “offers”. For which game situations it would be for the player’s advantage, naked or tell us to be “semi-transparent”? As a woman … sometimes this may, as a man …?
As I said in public bath houses for example. They were an important part of medieval life…
Warum deutsch? Das hier ist das internationale Forum…
Granted. I am not that sure about outside the family circle, though. The “Decameron” (to take one renaissance piece at random) was a breakthrough for a reason. Or not?
I have nothing against nudity, but the option would still be helpful (eg. for YouTube).
clearly you didn’t read the topic or didn’t understand it.
Nudity is not porn. If we are shown our character changing his clothing… how is that porn?
And some of us simply don’t understand the problem, when nobody is complaining about the fact that the game will involve killing people with swords.
I don’t need porn in my game. If I want to watch porn, I find some porn.
I want to play a game where the story and behavior of the characters feels realistic to the setting. And for that to be the case they need to use the social norms in use in 1403. And that did not have the same fear of nudity as some in this topic have.
One very clear example is the fact that churches had frescoes with naked persons… If it was ok in the house of God than clearly is was not that uncommon out in the real world.
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I would prefer great combat system and many other aspects of game done properly then implanted game nudity. Why? Well… it is a game! I just can’t go out and kill somebody with my sword. But to watch naked people or run around naked in real world is pretty easy. I don’t need a game for it!
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in game, it’s simulated killing, but also simulated nudity. neither are “real”, you can just as easily argue that the image of a simulated killing has the psychological impact of a real killing. in the end, it’s not really about personal needs(like staring at naked people), it’s more about creating a more believable medieval world.
there are some instances where nudity just isn’t avoidable. bathhouses, brothels, toilets(trousers would have to be removed).
i don’t care for the killing vs nudity argument to be honest, it’s irrelevant to the purpose of why nudity should be included. i just think people playing a mature game should be mature enough to handle nudity done realistically without thinking it’s some kind of porn.
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I agree with you. I just couldn’t help myself, I find many arguments in this topic rather useless. Either nudity will be in vanilla or won’t. I don’t compare games like Skyrim versus Witcher on the base of nudity. Actully many “nudist” in this topic would be quite disappointed with the shape of the medieval bodies. Put a nudity in game. I have no problem with it. But no top models please.
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No, but if you were naked as a child (bathing in a lake with other children or your parents for example) you weren’t linking this nakedness with sexuality. No thoughts about that. The same thing as you wouldn’t really think about death while you getting “killed” when playing knights or cowboys and indians.
If you say killing in games is not real then of course being naked or seeing naked people in the game is also not real. You kill some pixel humans not real persons and also you just look at an arrangement of some pixels representing the skin of a naked human being not some real stark-naked person.
That’s some nice double standards you got there.
You are overexaggerating things.
Henry won’t run through the streets naked while having an erection. Also, you won’t be able to gather people on the marketplace and perform a masturbating show in front of them.
nudity != sexuality != pornography
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This game is for adults.
Why should they implement a parental control system?
Illogical thinking par excellence.
It would be a waste of time and money.
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agree that the question of killing should not be relevant. But it is since it show very well the double standards some have.
(double standards that is very common when you look at the rating movies get in the US)
Watching things in movies on Tv or in a game do have a psychological impact… but the effect of watching killing or nudity is simply not the same.
Offcause this debate is pretty much a question of culture. when I watch the danish news, they might warn me that the next clip will have pictures of dead people and similar. They would newer warn about a picture of a topless women.
But my impression of US news is that showing a dronestrike killing a lot of people is ok, but a topless woman is not.
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We are sliding off topic here. If nudity is part of life in 1403, give it to me. If people’s innards belong to the period, I am all for it. An 18+ or PG rating will be a consequence, where the level of realism meets laws of different countries.
In my opinion there is no point implementing special parental controls, kids will get to play all games anyway. If there is a rating, then parents decide whether or not make the game as a whole accessible to them. I advocate consistency and oppose two-faced approach, where a parent would let his child play this awesome game because it is so realistic and, at the same time, turn off some features that in their opinion should not be seen. That would no longer be realistic, would it?
@ThomasAagaard : The effect of watching killing or nudity is not the same - agreed, but people usually disagree on which is more harmful for childre to see.
@Leontius : I think the question is not if we NEED to see nudity, but whether it is a realistic part of the period and region depicted AND if this level of realism is desirable or acceptable.
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How did peoples belly buttons look back then O_O?
Wow I can’t believe this is the largest thread on here. Not that I’m against nudity, but it’s a little silly that this seems to be the main focus to everyone for the game.
If it’s really that important to you than just get this on PC and wait for mod support. Nudity mods are usually the first and most plentiful.
It appears you just entered this thread. I know it’s difficult, but I highly recommend you reading the whole thread before posting your opinions on the people of this thread. It’s a much more interesting topic than I think you give it credit for.
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I think, the “problem” for people which find it disturbing is that they add some kind of judging. In this case it’s negative. When they see somebody naked their way of thinking is like this: nudity + negative = disturbing. Whereas for other people there’s no judging involved. For them it’s just: nudity. Plain and simple.
I really wonder, how can these “disturbed” people have sex?
"Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Please put your clothes back on. Right now I can’t have sex with you. It’s too disturbing. What has been seen cannot be unseen.“
or
"Let’s have sex with clothes on. But don’t dare to touch me!”
Just kidding.
I don’t know how they will implement nudity in the game.
But I think, as long as it’s not some right in your face approach but rather makes sense in the given situation and is depicted in a way that feels natural, no problem for me.
PS:
What I find pretty interesting is this:
- Harming someone can possibly lead to killing this person and finally to death. Therefore it’s something destructive because someone’s life is taken.
- Being naked with someone can possibly lead to intercourse with the other person and maybe to new life. Therefore it’s something constructive because new life is created.
Next thing is: why for many people things related to the negative act (of killing) is okay while things related to the positive act (of giving life) is disturbing?
I’m serious, where’s the logic? I can’t understand this way of thinking.
PPS:
Treysceusec, where are you from? If you would like to tell.
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I’ve read a good portion of it and as I’ve already said I’m not against nudity. I’m just surprised that it’s such a big deal to people for a game marketed as a historically accurate and realistic RPG with new and innovative combat mechanics. It just really doesn’t seem like a top priority thing.
I will just leave this here for everyone’s viewing pleasure. It’s very relevant.
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wow. Well since it needs to be 20 characters…wow.