Kingdom Come: BUSHIDO

Modding
#81

Sorry guys,

don’t you think it’s a little bit to early to discuss mooding and there is only a technical Alhpa out now.
I would say lets help the developers to create a good first act and after this it’s enought time to talk about modding.
It’s seems to me to argueing about the bears pelt and the bear is still free and healty.

Talking about mooding tools in my opinion is the right time, because the tools have to be worked out in the making of the game.

About feudal Japan, how many people do know much about this period? Or shouldn’t it be a historic mod? I only know that I know more about europian medieval time as about feudal Japan.

#82

i am not sure of that being a fact from what i know the english long bow had more range then the yumi. Plus for me the shape of it isn’t too pleasing to my eyes and i find the Yumi too large. I much prefer an Mongolian Composite bow as it is smaller plus there was a historical record of a man shooting a target at roughly 536 meters. Which is a lot farther then the longbow.

#83

Well said.

That’s like claiming almost every medieval and early modern state was evil because of serfdom.

#84

i’m claiming that :stuck_out_tongue: evean the church at that time were priest that dope in dark magic stuff

#85

I’d support that. If it’s a modding project I’d be happy to contribute some music custom made music! If it were a game made by warhorse I’d buy it. That’s one of my dream games.

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#86

I could link you the video i believe it has mike loads in in which many people see as trust worthy.

#87

The entire world did slave trading and practiced slavery at one point. Many Africans held slaves and sold their own people to us. Many Africans still hold slaves today.

#88

If you want Wikipedia as a source, linked below. Japan was a pretty late adopter of large scale open field warfare, but once they did the longer arms like the yari and naginata became the mainstay weapons on the battlefield (everything post ~1300AD i.e. the warring (Sengoku) periods and up)

#89

Yeah that doesn’t say that the mainly used yaris it said they were very popular and useful against the mongols because spears beat Calvary. It also says that they didn’t become widely used till the 1400s so i would need another source. If you can find me a trust worthy site wikipedia counts that say they JUST used yaris like everyone says i will agree with you.

#90

Eh whatever you want to believe. The warring period from 1300 up until the 1600s was the only time Japan really did any open field warfare until firearms became the predominate weaponry during the Meiji revolution and is the most commonly depicted period for wars in Japan in fiction, because it was the most interesting. During all large scale formation battles the spear was more common. Feel free to research it yourself, there’s a reason you hear people mention this a lot.

#91

I know im not saying it wasn’t common as i stated earlier. But it never said they never used katanas in battle and spears were the only weapon used. That is what im calling out because it seems everyone has this idea that the katana was a crap decoration weapon never used in battle and that all they used was spears. The english longbow was a popular weapon in of course Britain. But does that mean that they never used swords and only bows of course not.

#92

please stop linking to that horrible video… it it pure fantasy and got nothing to do with the real weapons and armour.

Suggest you go read something written by people who know what they are talking about:

Longsword vs Katana
http://www.thearma.org/essays/longsword-and-katana.html#.VE-uKfmG-yU

The Medieval European Knight vs. The Feudal Japanese Samurai?
http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm#.VE-uUvmG-yU

Katana vs. Rapier:
http://www.thearma.org/essays/katanavs.htm#.VE-uGvmG-yU

http://www.thearma.org/essays/knight-vs-samurai-experiences.html#.VE-t2PmG-yU

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#93

America is the best country in the world.

#94

i do agree its an bad video. i was looking for an other whit a britsh proffesor specialist on old weapons but did not found it. i saw it on nat geo i think. the difference between your and other people links that think the katana is bad. in your link they try to prove either via teks or where they talk in a video how bad it is. no testing or evedens. i can also talk about how good the katana is but that dont prove annything. have you ever tested a “real” katana agains “real” plate armor? and btw to make an katana its a very long and hard prosses. most katanas you se are only suviners. not many people are able to make real katana today. but the craftmen do exsist but they are few and the katana is very exspencive.

sorry my bad english

#95

and you post in earlyer post that they have bad armor compare to European. the fact is that paper armor is a betther armor. the only - is that they get very heavy in rain but that can be fixed whit outer layer of lether that protec agains rain. the first crossbow came from china and the first gunpowder weapone came from china. they are not as stupid as you think.I hate how people are vulnerable to propaganda. like for many years people think that the celtic people war braidead barbarians becuse the writings come from the romans thats put them down to extinction. way did they do this. well the romans did say they ware an enemy of the mankind. but evedens show some other proof. the land was ritch in gold and iron. and somhow they roman coin production started up again after they did concuer gauls. hmm weid? they also just recently crack the code of an old calender made from the celts that was way more accurate then what the roman had. as the monts did not have fixed amount of days per month as the romans had. but if you look at romans writing they ware a backward people.

sorry thomas assgaard. my bad. it was not you ho talk about how bad is was. i ment AhmadKhan

#96

to find the real evidence you need to dig and test. not by reading old teks. the teks can be a a guide two find real evidence

#97

How do you know it was dull not calling the trustworthy but how do you know its dull?

#98
#99

If you read the texts I linked to, that is one of their main points. It is very very hard to compare the katana to a longsword or rapire. There is simply not a standard katana, just like there is not a standard car.

Both the katana and longsword are very effective weapons within their own culture.
But they both have strengths and weaknesses.
And they where developed within their “world”. to deal with other types of weapons and armour within their own world.
(Europe did have more war against other cultures and over a much larger area then Japan did… but it is still a martial culture that is focused on it self.)

But it important to understand that a sword (katana or longsword) can’t cut true plate armour.

The royal armory museum in Copenhagen (Denmark) have two full Japanese plate armors from around 1600.
(and the archaeological museum in Cambridge, UK got two in the same style)
Iam sure they provide very effective protection against the expected (cutting) attacks from a katana.
But they have huge areas with no metal protection. inside of the arms and armpits got no metal at all. Also the face is less protected that a European armor from the same period. But its areas that is very hard to hit with cuts… but stabbing attacks with a longsword would be much very effective. And much more effective than against European armor.
but since a samurai would not face that kind of weapon, it is not relevant to wear an armour that protected against it.

#100

It looks to be a blunt training sword, that they have sharpened a bit. It is waymore flexible than the sharps I have seen.
(when sparing and stabs on the fencing mask or in the chest are part of it… it is a good thing to use a flexible blade)

Well, notice that his cutting with the katana is done diagonally… in a way that is effective when you look at body mechanics. Good force and cutting effect.
His cutting with the longsword is done horizontally… an rather ineffective way. less force and no drawing effect.
This undermines the “test”

Also the test against armor is rather problematic. since that is done against something that have very little to do with real European Armour.

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