So twice now it seems we have a moderator who’s been, in my opinion, abusing his authority. Once upon a time we had a decent moderator one who facilitated discussion and made civil conversations possible by deleting certain comments and leaving warnings for people. His name was @MadSmejki, however now we have a moderator who doesn’t moderate. All one has to do is flame a thread they don’t like and this moderater will swoop down and say “good job flamer now I get to burn this thread to ash” even though there could be 100+ others enjoying a civil conversation. Well this moderator goes by the name of @TobiTobsen now what do you think. Is this an abuse of power? Is this shear laziness? Is this what one should expect from a community manager? Not to facilitate proper discussion, but to reward trolls openly and willfully. I for one had come to expect a higher standard from KCD and was proud to be supporting them, but these tyrannical actions are simply reprehensible to one such as I who enjoys learning and discussing a variety of highly controversial topics, for without them we cannot grow beyond the lines drawn for us.
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I read somewhere, we were talking about a medieval role-playing game. To assist in the development is certainly the goal of all of us, for it is this forum. 1403
now in Bohemia neither the IS, American bombing raids still a Turkish Kurdish problem was known, therefore, will probably not be in the game.
Homosexuality was known, agrees. It is interesting for the game but at best, as they want to represent playable and if this can be an asset to the game pleasure of the majority of players.
All problems that have nothing to do with the development of this fantastic game, but should be made more of a much wider public and will not be discussed in secret in this small, specific forum.
The moderator has left enough time to get to the point, because there is no reason to criticize, I mean.
Irgendwo habe ich gelesen, es ginge hier um ein mittelalterliches Rollenspiel. Bei der Entwicklung zu helfen ist sicher das Ziel von uns allen, dafür gibt es dieses Forum. 1403
nun war in Böhmen weder die IS, amerikanische Bombenangriffe noch ein türkisches Kurdenproblem bekannt, wird daher im Spiel wohl nicht vorkommen.
Homosexualität war bekannt, stimmt. Interessant ist für das Spiel aber bestenfalls, wie sie das spielbar darstellen wollen und ob das ein Gewinn für das Spielvergnügen der Mehrheit der Spieler sein kann.
Alle Probleme, die nichts mit der Entwicklung dieses fantastischen Spieles zu tun haben, sollten doch besser einer viel breiteren Öffentlichkeit zugänglich gemacht werden und nicht heimlich in diesem kleinen, speziellen Forum diskutiert werden.
Der Moderator hat ausreichend Zeit gelassen, um auf den Punkt zu kommen, da gibt es keinen Grund zur Kritik, meine ich.
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I completely disagree.
But will it have Moors?!?!?
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i think you’re projecting. there aren’t 100 others enjoying the conversation. there are maybe 2 or 3 others observing and 2 or 3 engaged in trolling/flaming.
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Discussing moderation in public is usually a reason to get banned for good. You should address that in private.
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Nah, whining and self righteous indignation is pretty funny. He needs a little more egging on. Do you remember Khrushchev in UN, banging on a table with his shoe?
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And how would you know what has or has not gone on in private? That aside a moderator effects the community and therefor is subject to judgement by that community. A good moderator helps to foster community along with communication within that community. Opinions may differ as to if that is their role or not, but that is my take on it.
why do we need to know? why do you assume anyone else cares?
face it, your topic about gays had outlived its welcome. it went from mild conversation to debate, to arguments, to finally, on its death bed, trolls posting without paragrpahs. face it, everything that needed to be said was said.
don’t take it so personally. the topic was terminal
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I completely agree with 213!
And I applaud Tobi for shutting down that Homosexuality thread. Talk about beating a dead horse.
I don’t take it personally. I take it objectively. A mod shouldn’t shut down threads so that people will stop reading them and talk about what they want you to talk about. They help facilitate conversations the community want to have. No one forces anyone to open a thread, read a thread, or comment on a thread. For instance you @213 had some non-understandable obsession with the homosexuality thread and constantly posted on it since the first days of its inception. No one forced you to that was your decision, and it’s one that can be respected because even though few people agreed with your comments you didn’t go trolling like the people that got the thread closed, those people should be dealt with appropriately. Closing a thread due to one or two people and because you simply don’t like it’s existence. Is objectively wrong.
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I think you, @Madaras, are inviting it yourself with some of the posts you’re making even if they’re off-topic or in some way tangentially related to the game.
No, it doesn’t help when some people start either trolling, getting insulting in their responses, or both, but by that point anything worth being said has probably already been said and there’s no need for it to keep going.
If you don’t like moderation, go run your own forum where you can say anything you want.
I would like to thank you for bringing up the subject repeatedly. I think this is something that still needs to be thoroughly explored and reexamined within the gaming community, and more so in RPG, in order to foster and facilitate whatever it is that you want to foster (and facilitate) within the gaming community. And obviously, it needs to be done with a proper context and in the respectful manner, from the back.
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One other thing: the way posts may or may not be moderated here has all of ZERO impact on the development of the game itself.
At least it should have zero impact.
If posts end up devolving into insults being flung back and forth, another alternative is banning the people who engage in that stuff.
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Let´s be honest, the topics were closed for damn good reasons.
I didn´t read them all along, I stopped somewhere towards the end. But even at that point almost everything happening in these two threads were the repition of the same opinions over and over again, with more and more insults frome one site towards the other. If I were a mod, I´d have done the same.
There are other places than this forum to fight with each other, or you could do that with private messages, or even better, I suggest a integrated chat in the forum.
If you want to share opinions fine, you can do that, but if it is not possible to do that in a polite and friendly way, then you shouldn´t do it in public forum about a video game.
And the homosexuality thread was somehow related to video games in the beginning yes, but in the end it was just one or two guys against homosexuality (or at least against it in public or whatever) and some other guys who disagreed with that and fighted with them. I know everybody has his or her opinion and everybody is proud of it. But this is also the reason why you won´t change the opinion of another human being by insulting him over the internet.
So long rant short: I totally agree with toby and he didn´t do anything wrong by shutting the topics down. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It´s just the wrong place for something like this 
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I am sorry, but it was my call to close the topics. I believe that it is possible to have a moderate discussion about any topic face to face, but it is very hard to keep it civil on the internet. Sooner or later some people steal the thread and start insulting others or at least their opinions. I am sorry, but we will close the topics, where discussion left not just gaming, but rules of proper behavior. Thank you!
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These affairs just annoys people, i would ban all the moderators.
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I will not weigh in on whether it was a right call to close the topics or not, however Madaras made one excellent point which needs to be addressed beyond simple closing of threads:
I find it especially problematic in case when the basic reason for closing the thread is hate speech. Shutting down a whole debate because of a hater or two doesn’t seem right.
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I think I read both threads madaras is refering to.
Both were going nowhere and civility was slowly converging on zero…
Hey, in the religion thread two of the main posters even made his point quite nicely after the initial announcement of the impending closing.