In the game a lot of mistakes. http://forum.kingdomcomerpg.com/uploads/default/original/2X/d/df749e8f5151ab08c6e07b86c8b99fbdba2a637d.jpg
a) Errors in geometry. The helmet should look like one piece without the vertical bars. They were gilded (often).
b) It is 10-11th - another nation, another era. And why he has a mask?
c) The helmet should look like one piece without without segments. Incorrect turning hinge masks. It is foolish to run with lowered mask. Outside of combat, it is better to keep open or take off (but it is impossible to do in the game).
The problem is that I do not see a simple helmet. In the game there are more advanced and expensive helmets. I was curious to see all the variations of the “eastern” helmets in the game.
There is also the problem of the number of nomads who could / should wear armor.
Then who are they and why are they dressed and armed with that? The Hungarians, the Cumans came to Hungary 180-150 years ago, the warriors of the Golden Horde? Depending on whether who this fraction, we can talk about the details of clothes and weapons.
Андраш Палоци Хорват (Pálóczi Horváth András): Восточные народы в средневековой Венгрии. Печенеги, узы, половцы, ясы https://www.academia.edu/9840722/Андраш_Палоци_Хорват_Pálóczi_Horváth_András_Восточные_народы_в_средневековой_Венгрии.%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%8B_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%86%D1%8B_%D1%8F%D1%81%D1%8B
Hungary may have not been the most progressive part of Europe, but metallurgy was at home there for quite some time already.
Yes, but here it is more about the traditions of warfare Hungary / Cumans / Tatars. The tactics of the nomads era of the Golden Horde did not require the mandatory presence of shields the majority of warrior.
Кулешов Ю.А. «Монгольская латная конница» – историческая реальность или научная спекуляция? // Золотоордынская цивилизация. Сборник статей. Выпуск 5. – Казань: Институт истории им. Ш.Марджани АН РТ, 2012. – С. 153-180. - http://millitarch.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Кулешов-Латн.конница6.pdf
Metal shields are known in Central Asia, Iran and India - but not in Europe. Indo-Persian shields 18-19 century in the game for Eastern Europe 14-15 century, is too much.
Really?
You speak as if you have a information about shields of nomads in Eastern Europe 10-15 century. Do you have it? You have information about shield construction, shape, material?
I am looking for information from many sources, and fragments of shield from Syria show far as a wicker shields are old. This is an illustration of technology widely known in 16-18 centuries on an example shields-kalkans.
Interesting material about production and export of weapons in the Golden Horde.
Кулешов Ю. А. Производство и импорт оружия как пути
формирования золотоордынского комплекса вооружений // Золотоордынская цивилизация. Выпуск 3. Казань: Изд. «Фэн» АН РТ, 2010. С. 73-97. http://millitarch.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/kuleshov_1.pdf
Look, I am not saying you are wrong, however the way you communicate makes it feel like you are some spammer/troll than someone who knows what you are talking about. It is hard to have any discussion when you are just throwing a ton of links and very little coherent thought.
Also, although Cyril and Method did do most of their work in the Czech lands, we never really got to use Cyrillic alphabet, not in the 9th century and certainly not in the 21st. So whatever you are writing in Cyrillic alphabet, I doubt anyone can read that.
One of the recurring themes of debate on this forum is people coming in and saying that some depictions of 15th century Bohemia are incorrect because people used different style of armor in 15th century England, because people used different fighting styles in 15th century Italy, because society was different in 15th century Spain, etc. etc.
You have, among other, pointed out to the fact that Golden Horde era nomads did not use shields, that nomadic people were not good in metallurgy, and that in the Cidatel of Damascus a different style of armor may be found. Which may all be very well true, but has no weight as regards Cuman warriors that were for some 150 years settled and living within Hungary and who came in 1403 to ravage the Czech Crown lands as a part of Hungarian Habsburg Army. You need to bring in sources dealing especially with early 15th century Hungarian/Cuman army in order to disprove the way KCD portrays them.
Other language can really be a problem. But this theme poorly studied in the english articles. Links to the forum (http://www.kitabhona.org.ua/) - is the fastest way to indicate to the base of material. I write in Cyrillic but translated forum of Internet resources of the 21st century without problems. Links to articles help to those who wants to study the topic himself. I know a lot of them, they were going for a long time and I still have a lot of material for discussion of this topic. Several articles of my links has the form Internet pages - use Google Translator for Firefoh and no problems in the translation.
To translate easy to use Google translator or plug-ins: https://translate.google.com.ua https://addons.mozilla.org/UK/firefox/addon/google-translator-for-firefox/?src=userprofile
The Google documents have the ability to recognize the scanned text.
“Eastern faction” in the game is a big problem. The big problem - a large volume of material for discussion.
You have, among other, pointed out to the fact that Golden Horde era nomads did not use shields,
I wrote
The tactics of the nomads era of the Golden Horde did not require the mandatory presence of shields the majority of warrior. and
Shields was used the warriors from the North Caucasus in the Golden Horde era.
Keyword “not require the mandatory presence” and “majority of warrior”. Light horsemen archers (such as in the army were in the majority) shield (close combat active attribute) is often not needed. As expensive armor. Archaeological excavations point to the small spread of shields in the Golden Horde. Exception - the North Caucasus. Shields are allowed the soldiers with a full set of weapons and armor, but light archers (which most), it is not mandatory.
On Syria, I repeat - example braided shield design. Live, really existing example of a shield.
You need to bring in sources dealing especially with early 15th century Hungarian/Cuman army in order to disprove the way KCD portrays them.
It is possible, but then they would lose many of armor and weapons.
About archaeological finds belonging to Cumans in Hungary my knowledge not so much. There are several burial of the 13th century, individual items of weapons and armor. Some more information can be extracted from graphic sources. Begin better with them.
I know that this image is 100 years younger than the events of the game. But it is interesting to look at Cuman (?) As a part of the Hungarian embassy. Researchers believe that his clothes is very archaic. So, this picture can be useful.
Miniature by 74 years younger than the game. Also shown here is probably the Tatars. However, it is important to note the identity of a hat, hair and lack of armor.
nothing you provided goes against the depiction in the game. i am interested what is the initial point of your complaint? maybe i’m reading it wrong, but you initially said the faceplate wasn’t historically accurate, then you posted a lot of faceplates and said this is what they looked like, and they looked exactly like how it’s depicted in the game.
please post a list of your grievances without a bunch of pictures or links in a list format, i mean you’re all over the place, etchings from 1500s, illustrations from 1300s, etc.
First, I will post known material: miniatures and objects of archeology. Then we can go to the comments already existing models. However, a series of mistakes I have already indicated above. Now I try to make a detailed overview of mistakes.
b) Helmet.
Chernaya Mogila (Black Grave) type helmet - 10th. Not found in Hungary Half mask was not used here, chain mail should be attached to the half mask. Armor.
The central circular plate superfluous. Shield.
Same as above.
General comments.
A large number of soldiers in armor and helmets in the “Eastern bloc”. They should not be more than a quarter of the total. Meet in the woods two foot soldiers in expensive armor - it nonses. Swords are not correct for the “Eastern faction”. Their primary weapon - a bow and arrow. And they’re the cavalry.
About the clothes will tell later.
The Saint Ladislaus legend in All Saints’ Roman Catholic Church of Bijacovce (Szepesmindszent), Slovakia
The second half of the 14th or first quarter of the 15th century
The Saint Ladislaus legend in the Church of Rimavska Bana, Slovakia
The Saint Ladislaus legend in the Unitarian Church of Chilieni (Sepsikilyén), Romania
Late 14th century
Another problem armor “Eastern bloc” is archaic helmets from the territory of influence of the Golden Horde.
For example, helmets with half-mask widely used in the 13th and the first half of the 14th century.
Article in Russian about this subject. Inside the map finds helmets of this type. The text of articles stands out and can be easily translated using Google Translator.
Helmet from Gorodets https://www.academia.edu/11180487/Helmet_from_Gorodets_Шлем_из_Городца_Батыр.%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B8._4-5.2014.%D0%A1._52-81
Chain mail in this period likely to a major protective armor. However, the game can also be used and its other types. For example chain mail outer coating of the cloth. This is a fairly common variant of protection.
For example, the Ottomans second half of the 15th century.
And wait for changes for the better is not necessary.
