Poll: Voiceovers, accents and archaic language


#165

I think you’re quite right in your post. However, why not to make it in let’s say mix of German and Polish, then. Modern Czech is so far different from the medieval one… Hus, Comenius and later era of nationalism changed it so much - I remember I have studied some diplomatics and seen tons of medieval latin and czech documents there, mostly official, though.

I always use subtitles, where possible. Even english ones. But since Henry, that retarded son of a b…lacksmith, can’t probably read and write anyway, wouldn’t it break game immersion, then? :smile:


#166

Well, I think many actors know english quite well, since Czech republic, resp. Barrandoff studios are popular destination for (not only) Hollywood filmmakers from early 90’s till today. Some even played minor roles from Eurotrip to Mission Impossible and had few sentences there :smiley: Others, like Karel Roden, spent long years in Hollywood, and so did few others like Miroslav Taborsky or Barbora Kodetova I think. These three would be vital asset for Deliverance or any other game as well.

There are few films that didn’t go well, though, most notably The Pagan Queen, neopaganic feministic interpretation of old slavic myths, that are mostly based on early celtic history of Bohemia. German director, czech, ukrainian, hungarian, irish and american actors (among others) didn’t helped to make this a good film, either.

Jast luk atit! “Your mother was a tree elf. She has given you a special gift - the past and future.”


#167

I’m Czech, I know that there are some capable, internationally successful actors like Vladimír Kulich and Karel Roden (both of whom would be great in this game), but the question is… is there enough of such actors? Games of this size can have around 50 voice actors in overall and I’m still not sure we have enough to cast an entire game with those (which won’t be a problem for the promised Czech dub version), even though there’s always plenty of relatively unknown actors to choose from.


#168

I will not comment on english or other languages but czech: I don’t get it. Why do you think that using czech, german in castle area and latin i church (with subtitles) is confusing? You are playing with every little chapel on the road so that it is just as it was i those times but language is miner? For me, language gives more feeling than other features (i play witcher in polish as well, just for the authentique feeling). There were lot of czech movies combining these 3 languages with no problem - even the czech speaking with german accent in eg.F.L.Vek gives good vibration of those times. I think that language doesn’t have to be archaic so no one understands but putting few archaistic expressions or old sentence conctruction would give o good vibration to this realistic game. Well speaking only about czech mutation which shouldn’t be missed.


#169

I think having the Czech language spoken would be all right, but here I will speak about the English language version. Dan has said that Shakespearian English would not sound right because it does not have anything to do with his country where the game is set. Dan does not seem to want anything too regional either. Different ways of speaking bring different things to mind, and considerations should be made regarding this. If they all spoke Scottish English then it would sound like they were Scottish people speaking the language of foreigners, like people speaking a foreign language in their own accent, or like the language being spoken in a foreign accent. English spoken by Welshmen, Cornishmen and Irishmen are for the same reason off the list. They would bring to mind people speaking a foreign language in the accent of their own native language.

The goal would be to represent the native Czech speakers in the game who are not speaking a foreign language in an accent from another language, but their own language in its own accent(s).
I think it would be best to hire voice actors who are native speakers of English who speak some English accent or another, rather than a Scottish accent or an Indian accent or something like that.
So we have to ask which accent or accents would be best. The accents of Australia and New Zealand are English ones, but the trouble is what they bring to mind. They are sufficiently different to bring to mind the fact that they are the accents of colonies in a far away land. The Czech republic is not a colony in a far away continent, so Australian and New Zealand accents would not be suitable. In addition, the Australian accent is influenced by Irish accent, I have heard, and Irish accents in English have already been dismissed as too foreign to be good representations of the situation in Bohemia. American English, too, is a mixture of Irish and Scottish and the like, and is the distinctive sound of a colony on a far away continent. The Englishes of England itself are the best representations of the native accents of a native language, but there are so many how can we choose? Henry in the game is a peasant, and there are plenty more peasants too, so should we go for an old traditional accent from England for them? If so then we have to pick one of many old traditional modern Englishes. Over the centuries the different parts of England have come to speak so differently that a Dorset speaker and a Northumbrian speaker would be unable to understand each other (For those who don’t know, Dorset is in South-West England, with Northumbria being in North-East England). Another problem is that to the learned ear the birthplaces of the voice actors can be deduced, and having regional accents may be bad if someone says “aah, Henry’s from Dorset,” or “This person is from this particular street in Birmingham”. Also people who have learned English as a second language may have a hard time grasping what is being said if it is not spoken in the accent they are learning the language in or one like it.

Dan wants an international English. Fortunately, there has been an attempt at creating an accent that is understood throughout England, called posh or received pronunciation. The words are spoken quite clearly, although compared to some other native accents some vowels and consonants are dropped, and some words and grammar forms are missing. Although this accent is generally considered more Southern than Northern, it does not belong to any part of England in particular, making it the least regional accent of all of England, and it is widely understood and known. Those who speak it cannot have their birthplaces deduced.

Although I am proposing this widely spoken English as a good candidate, my personal preference is for a more traditional English, which would fit the theme of workers of the land in medieval Bohemia. I would quite like Shakespearian English too. I have read the English of the United States of America be proposed too, but for the following reasons I think it is a very bad choice. It is largely influenced by Irish speech and the like, so it sounds a lot like Irish English, so it sounds like it is spoken in a somewhat foreign accent. It sounds distinctively the speech of a a colony far away, nothing like Bohemia. Also something personal to me but also to some others in England, it sounds a bit silly and when I hear it I find it hard to take the speaker seriously. The USA didn’t even exist in the middle ages.

Having some in the game speak German and some Latin would be interesting, but many people playing the game may understand German or Latin, and understand things that Henry really shouldn’t. Maybe having an obscure Medieval German spoken could help with that.


#170

Something like game of thrones English.


#171

Game of Thrones… English…

Game of Scones?


#172

Game of Scones

Nothing happens except afternoon tea and some well read literature.


#173

Don’t forget the incessant gossiping :wink:


#174

Czech & German voices or generic “medieval” English (think Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, Vikings, whatever). It might not make historical sense but it feels more natural than American for sure.


#175

For the love of all that is holy and sacred any accent but American. You replace the American accents, I buy your game. You don’t, and I won’t.


#176

I don’t know Czech so it probably wouldn’t sound weird to me with subtitles and I might even learn some Czech from playing the game like that.
I agree completely on languages in TV and Movies with those accents that suppose to represent someone speaking their native tongue.
I would prefer though the use of the language to be less modern, and more in the spirit of how they would’ve talked.
So it doesn’t mean unintelligible but still won’t be using modern words.


#177

This will probably never see the light of day…

If the voice actors are going to speak in English… at least do it in Middle english, such as from Geoffrey Chaucer’s works.

Also subtitles.


#178

Hi!

Please don’t use any British or American accent.
German or Czech accent will be perfect.
Language is international English

Regards


#179

Which English do you mean by international English?


#180

I have voted for English with the odd old English expressions. I am not too worried about it as long as there are no American accents. A country and accent that did not even exist at the time.


#181

You get a Czech version, so just go to settings and choose Czech and problem is solved for you. But that don’t help so many people who don’t want Czech. So for you it’s easy to say just do Czech, but for me and many others if we have to listen to a language we don’t know and read subtitles for 50-100+++hours then… No, I will be tired after 5hours… There is a reason why 48% voted for modern international English with some archaic words and 31% voted for Czech. So no, the solution is not to just do Czech…


#182

I wonder how you think a german accent should sound?

I can’t say anything about english with Czech accent, since I’m a older German/Bavarian.

In Germay the youth more and more getting used to english pronunciation and there are a few more english words used in common speeches nowadays.
It depends of the background of the speaker and the topic.
In my youth spoken dialects like Bavarian were more commen. Also I think the spoken dialect was stronger.

There are a lot of german dialect and the pronunciation can be very different compared to High German.
Someone who can speak Low German has not much problems to understand Dutch.
If you start to learn a foreign language it often happens that you will use the pronunciation you are used to.

I once was told that my spoken english sonds more like American English. Could it be, that the influnce of german immigrants had a great impact at the pronunciation of American English?


#183

I’m not from germany and I don’t speak german (my ancestors were, though), but I was (more than) once told that, too. I’d say that’s just infuence of mass media and culture though. Funny is that we had teacher - such an old lady in school, who loved to quote Shakespeare and on the other hand she disliked american english and pronunciation. So I had problems with her for all four years. And she’s still teaching poor children her ways (ugly witch!).


#184

I’m not Czech, so no it’s not that easy for me to ask only for Czech dubbing !
And English isn’t even my first language !
I’m french so following the stereotypes, I should be the one complaining…

Why so much lazyness ? It isnt that bad to
read subtitles, no ? Think about immersion !

Imagine you, travelling through the medieval Czech republic, listening to the pesants talking in their local dialect…

It would be an incredible work of reconstitution, the dream of many historians and archeologists…
I love history, but I guess not everyone do…