Returning my Copy - Here's Why

I’ve been playing Kingdom Come: Deliverence for several weeks and have been trying to convince myself that I’ve been having a good time when in all honesty: I haven’t. I’ve told myself that, “the combat will get better as I level up,” and that, " the story will pick up in the late game," and that, " the graphical errors, late render pop-ins, audio hiccups, awkward animations, questionable voice-acting and mundane story will be patched over and fixed in the weeks to come." I’ve now realized that these issues will never be solved since most forums on this site seem to claim that these aren’t “bugs” or “broken elements of the game” but are rather considered to be features of what is seen as a final product.

To clarify my tone, I am not angry or frustrated with this game as I’ve 6o hours put into this game on my current save and an additional 50 hours of undocumented progress lost due to the current state of the save system (which most consider to be complete). I’ve become comfortable with game’s mechanics and though I believe the developers have 100% accomplished what they set out to do I can’t say that I find the result to be very fun or interesting as a gamer.

For some background I am a desperate fan of Bethesda RPG’s (Morrowind &a Fallout NV come to mind) and enjoy open world games which focus on story and combat (The Witcher Games and The Farcry series to an extent). I approached this game with mixed expectations since I was aware of the bugs and sluggish combat system and set these criticisms aside until I realized 60 hours in how glaring the issues with this game can be (to the point where my girlfriend consistently points out these issues just by looking without ever picking up a controller to play it).

I supposed it’s appropriate to start with how I believe the game succeeds:

  • graphics : This is easily one of the best looking games I’ve played despite the render pop-ins, variance in texture quality and lack of unique style (like how FromSoftWare often styles their worlds). It’s gorgeous to ride through fields and stroll through towns and feels as though this is a living, breathing world.

  • Shandification : The world itself can exist without the player and effectively explains where people sleep and how they’re fed without sacrificing the awe which comes from seeing castles and shrines speckled across the world. Remembering people’s schedules factors into gameplay and can affect how you behave at certain times of the day and what quest you pursue.

  • Role-Playing : Not that I find Henry to be a particularly interesting character but maintaining his hunger, energy and health as well as his relationships with others and mastery of skills proved to be captivating and immersive experience. It affected how I played Henry and though it does slow gameplay it helps to ground Henry and constantly pull your Character back into towns and cities to buy a bed or food or accept a quest you’ve been meaning to pursue.

  • Cooking with ya boy Hal! : ALCHEMY IS FUN! It is so freaking cool and interesting that it puts Skyrim to absolute shame. You learn recipes and have a brief moment where you feel like a witch putting together evil potions. It’s perfect and I love it.

And now for the ugly:

  • Combat : its sluggish, it’s slow and against evenly matched opponents it can last so long it makes me wonder when guns will be invented so I can shoot these Cumans in the armpit where their breastplates won’t completely absorb my attacks. I purposefully tried to ignore this flaw since I heard that certain skills are more fun to use once you’ve levelled up in them. But it lead to what felt like fights so easy that I thought i was cheating and fights that weren’t difficult at all but felt somehow longer than this post. Dying never felt deserved and instead felt as though I’d made the dreadful mistake of facing-off against the infamous Tootsie-Pop Knight where I had to count how many licks it takes to get to the centre of the Tootsie-Pop. (As a side note: I wanted to mention that archery DOES become much more fun once you’ve levelled it up and I’ve never had a bad experience trying to teach Henry how to shoot an arrow at all of the petrified rabbits inhabiting Bohemia.)

  • The Save System : I get it. You save in a bed or you save with Schnapps. If you don’t have either then you’re bad and need to adjust yourself to the game’s expectations. However, I feel as though some form of middle ground could have been found between the Resident Evil “limited saves” conundrum and the Dark Souls “Everything is Saved, Even Death,” option. Perhaps if small temporary saves could happen after key events like buying something or accepting/progressing-in/completing a quest would let you come back to those temporary saves if you die in-game. But in order to actually save your game for the next time you play it could force you to use saviour schnapps or a bed as it does right now. I’m not trying to say the save system is broken but as of right now it is a huge drawback for the game (at least for me) in its current state. As a reminder, I’ve lost a minimum of 50 hours due to adventuring, fighting and pillaging BUT forgetting to take a quick nap between slaughters. It’s heavily hindered my experience and is the reason I wrote this review today since I just lost another 3 hours of game time since I forgot to nap in some beggars bed in between quests.

  • Dialogue/Story : I found the main plot to be very boring and tried my best to do side quests in hope that they would be far more interesting. Side quests are often Fallout 4 style fetch quests and the two Courting side quests end so abruptly that I thought that huge chunks of content were missing from the game. No particular character felt believable other than Hans Capon who’s Main Quest also ends so abruptly that I thought the developers had forgotten that once players find a companion who they can depend on, they’d like to see that companion again, at least once in a bar or something. Voice actors and character models often give their best impression of a socially oblivious mannequin and blurt out lines at mismatched volumes where one is in a wind tunnel and the other is in a library. This is far to late to be fixed but felt like it needed to be addressed.

  • Pacing : This game is slow. I understand the need for realism but is it necessary to have to visit a cobbler, a tailor, a blacksmith, an armourer and a sword smith just to get my armour and weapons repaired every time I visit Rattay? Fast travel can sometimes take significantly longer than regular travel. Some vendors will blurt out, “No,” to deals you’ve carefully laid out which forces you to put it together again. I know the pace is slow to be realistic ( and it IS realistic) but it just isn’t fun and seriously wears on the experience.

As you can tell I’ve had more than my fill of Kingdom Come: Deliverance and won’t be revisiting it anytime soon. I encourage discussion about some of the flaws and successes of Kingdom Come: Deliverence in hopes that I can convince myself I had at least a little fun (other than alchemy) while playing what felt like a very confused and yet realistic take on Bohemia. Let me know what you think of my thoughts and what you think of my idea of a new save system. Anyways, thanks for reading to the end and if you actually like and enjoy this game then I’m sorry for threatening to shoot the Cumans in the armpit. That was uncalled for.

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well, I kind of agree with some of your points, returning your copy is a bit sensationalist :smiley:

Combat is not that bad, it need some fine tuning, like when you fight more than one, try fighting 5, and the darn lock system kicks in, THAT is frustrating.

Black screen when you eat - weird - sound of dog drinking from … something - really weird.
Black screen when you do the bathhouse maid - more weird

Can’t knock people down with horse, C’mon!!
poppining and poppoing and more popping, the whole popping is driving me nuts at some places.

However, I still enjoy the game, and I still would like to see more of it.

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Thanks for responding. It is mildly sensationalist but more because I’ve been meaning to buy a new game and this one is of value (plus, I’ve hit my roof in terms of having fun with it).
I agree the blacks screens feeling out of place and I didn’t stress the dreaded POP INS since everyone else seem fairly plagued with them already. XD

I didn’t mean to come off saying the game is downright terrible, just that some of the few flaws have finally caught up and spoiled the good parts for me.

Hope you’re enjoying it if you’re still playing it and I can’t wait for the armpit gun update!

I play it on and off, but I didn’t remove it from my hard drive :slight_smile:

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Game should save after taking a quest and at some points trough it. Unless you play hardcore mode (which you don’t since it doesn’t have fast travel you mentioned).

There is a skill and a tools to keep your stuff repaired. You can make it to the point you only visit them with really broken things to repair.

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I agree with too many quests feeling like they end out of nowhere. This has been brought up a couple of times. Some feel like they are going somewhere really interesting, then you get this wait? That’s it moment? Then to top it off the person wants nothing to do with you again. Job done move along.

I noted so many quests where I thought, look at all the missed opportunity to make an interesting little side story. Something the Witcher did extremely well alot of the time.

Spoiler .

I’ll give an example probably a poor one because maybe the fact I got caught might have hidden some cool part.

The witches in the woods. This was one of those that could have been for me a classic remembered tale from a game.

This could have deteriorated into a Spanish inquisition captivating mission a great opportunity to make characters you loved to loathe. Put you in the midst of a real witch hunt.

Gameplay wise you get involved in the inquisition. Be it as a hunter for the inquisition or actually leading it.

You have options to free the women unbeknownst to anyone. Lose the money/ reward for following through but also cast doubt on you that could come back to haunt you having one of your own love interests now accused.

Could go full on attack the inquisition. Killing them and risking death jail. Because sometimes you just want to fuck shit up.

Or even leading the inquisition yourself burning the witches and indoing so uncovering another dark side to this story.

This is just off the top of my head.

Maybe it’s me :smiley: . Maybe I should shut my damn pie hole and juat wait for kcd 2. And hope to god it is not just a disappointing here there you go serving like the ashes dlc.

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I mostly agreen with graphical shortcomings like texture pop in and streaming, but loosing 50h because you forgot to save every now and then speaks more about you than about the game

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I know XD I just end up getting caught up in the game and forgetting to sleep. And then I’m punished for enjoying the game too much.

  1. With all respect, i met a bunch of people who got paid for writing negative blogs, similar to yours.
  2. You mentioned you had to return to Rattay to repair your gear. Can you explain why, or better tell he HOW to repair things ouside cities…
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Hey there. Someone mentioned that there is a repair skill where you can repair your equipment yourself and that repairs aren’t necessary until things are next to broken. Basically, I’ve fatigued myself of Rattay by visiting them for repairs when it wasn’t necessary. And that there is already a solution to what I considered a flaw :stuck_out_tongue: and I didn’t mean for this to come off as a hit piece organized by some company. I’m a Canadian looking to trade in his game and wanted to talk about the highs and lows of KC:D before I let it go. From what people are saying I’m gonna give it another go (with more emphasis on sleeping and saving). paid for and sponsored by EA games

I do need to “git gud”. I suppose I was hoping for a way that I could play quests and adventure without having to stress about whether my character will forget the last 2 hours because he missed nap-time. You are right though, it’s mostly on my half.

Whenever I’ve died in KCD I’ve always been spent back to the last bed I slept in (which is usually hours apart for me since I forget…a lot). I’m playing this on Xbox One and have fully updated the game and have never been sent to one of these small saves after death.

Thank you so much!!! I didn’t know there was an alternative to saying hi to everyone dude in the village when trying to repair gear! This sort of of looks sarcastic but it’s not. I didn’t know there was a repair skill which could be used to avoid visiting a professional every time. I admit that visiting Rattay too much for repairs was a fault of mine and not how the game was set up.

That’s what I saw everyone while playing this game and even while waiting in line at EB Games to pick it up. Potential! Potential everywhere but later learned it was rarely pursued.

The relationships are cut so short and the fact that you can’t talk to them afterwards felt gross. As though having sex for the first time is the only reward possible from this person. Even Skyrim made it so you could romance and marry someone and let you talk to them about your relationship. This realism collapses for me in this way where it felt like a checklist “let players romance and bang women because GTA did it.”

And the witches quest felt really short and was surprised that after speaking with the priest once more it just ends. It never explores very far beyond what feels like a checklist. “Include a drug trip because far cry did it and show satan because religion is a thing.”

I agree with everything you just said. I’ve even considered returning my copy.

It’s really going to boil down to how the next patch effects the current state of the game on PS4.

If the patch makes the game worse, or if it doesn’t look like the patch will come out over the course of the next several weeks I may just bulldoze through the main quest and turn it in at GameStop for credit towards Red Dead.

I however, do hope that WH can figure this all out and I can enjoy this game, and it’s future DLCS, for months to come. If not, well, they won’t be seeing another dime from me.

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I agree the Theresa courtship quest ends abruptly, but there is a DLC scheduled for early 2019 specifically about Theresa. There is hope they will enhance the courtship quest too.

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Trust me, EA does a lot such “sponsoring”

Anyway you can buy repair kits in shops or to get them from bandits.

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Purchase/loot and use kits: armor/blacksmith, tailor, cobbler

If you don’t sleep, you get a debuff and there’s not much besides thieving at night so not sure why you go game days without sleep. Even if you’re a Cockerel addict (to rid the debuff) I just takes a simple 1h sleep to trigger sleep save

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but you hafta be level 20 in repair to get to condition 69 broke. So you hafta keep an eye on your gear condition and fix promptly if in your skill range.

Yes, maintenance skill determines how much you can repair. That’s not just Henry specific in some ways. Some repairmen can’t repair below certain level (eg swordsmith on cuirass)

Btw, find Sasau and Ledetchko to be more convenient for repairs depending on where you are. So the Rattay focus seems misplaced at different levels

If you love alchemy saving should not be an issue for you. Takes about 10 mins to brew about 10-15 saviour schnapps

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