Stealth kills are broken

Bugs
#47

It. Doesn’t. Work. That. Way.

You have only 2 hands. 1 is used to position the “sweet spot” of the enemy so you can’t miss it in the dark and maybe stab yourself instead (at least if you practice enough), and also provide backup pressure on that area so your strike’s impact all goes into penetration instead of just pushing the enemy away. The other is used to deliver the blow. This means you can’t control other parts of the target’s body. You can often control weapons slung on the enemy’s back or shoulder because you pin them between your chest and his back. But if he’s holding something in his hands, he’s going to drop it (KLANK!). And his legs are free to kick and thrash, which they ALWAYS do even if he’s clinically dead before he hits the ground. Heels drumming on a wooden floor even without kicking over any furniture, make LOTS of noise, as do feet thrashing the underbrush.,

If you go through the skull or ribcage, you have to penetrate bone that evolution specifically designed as armor for the important things beneath. There is no way to do that without hitting hard, and hitting hard enough to do the job unavoidably makes significant impact noise. There’s no way to muffle this. If you stab down through the base of the throat, that more often than not causes some sort of exhalation sound from the enemy (even just the “OOF” of sucker-punching somebody in the guts) , and then he’ll gurgle and blow bloody bubbles for a while (even once unconscious from lack of blood to the brain), and such noises can be QUITE loud as he’s full of adrenaline now and trying his best to scream even though no air can reach his vocal cords (if you did it right) and it’s all coming out the “tracheotomy” you just gave him.

1 Like
#48

But most of these Bandit is 50 sheets to the wind drunk, Most drunk people will not even wake if a book was slammed on the floor. I get what you are saying, But they need to give a little bit.

#49

Just gotta get your Stealth higher…killed about 7 people before I got caught and they were sleeping literally right next to each other and I did a knockout not a kill, probably still would woke up. If I can do this and not get caught, granted this is in Neuhof which has a low population (perfect for practicing) you can kill people too. Gotta get that Stealth up and get some sneaky/quiet clothes!

3 Likes
#50

Just gotta make sure you’re not in like of sight or right next to someone.

#51

Stabbing someone in the heart would kill you instantly so would being stabbed in the temple or back of the head. The neck you wouldn’t die instantly no you would bleed to death but would pass out after loss of blood after maybe a minute or 3 max. As someone who has been trained in the military I know how it works. And like I stated whole families have been killed in their sleep with none hearing anything. Also a dagger is being used which is pointed at the end made for penatraing and parting ribs. And if you look through history a tactic used by the ffa (French foreign legion) used to kill every other German solider in a camp as they sleeped. The gurkahs killed a entire Japanese patrol using only their kukri. Then please tell me how you can’t kill someone quietly.

#52

This is a 15th century peasant turned wannabe knight, not a trained assaasin. No, you won’t be killing whole “families in their sleep.” Just doesn’t work that way. Stealth is fine. Complaining about a tweak youd like to see about stealth is one thing, whining about not being able to kill an entire village bc you think you’re “leet knightxxx” and it’s realistic is another.

3 Likes
#53

There was a console gamer on here who claimed they left their console on. For nearly a day. Because real life invaded the KCD universe and he couldn’t bed save and was out of potions. This almost beat what that guy accomplished. Almost. :joy:

#54

Know what’s worse than not being able to find a bed to save, or KCD bugs? It’s your Sarsour avatar :smile:

Seriously, that broad scares me :anguished:

#55

I know. And it’s not even Halloween yet!

Creeps my subconscious out more than Pennywise ever could. But while the latter IT isn’t real, the former most definitely is. Consequently the need for a Patronous charm :stuck_out_tongue:

#56

But have you ever actually DONE it? Had your instructors? It’s 1 thing to teach the techniques, it’s another to deal with the actual results, and unless you’ve been there at least as a witness, you have no idea what really goes on.

There are 2 ways to the heart: through the ribs or down the throat. If you go through the ribs, you’ll find that the chest cavity is like a drum, a hollow cylinder full of air. Hitting this hard enough to penetrate the ribs and intercostal cartilage makes a highly noticeable THUMP (as does stabbing into the skull). You can’t feel around on the victim to find a gap in the ribs, and the gaps are full of tough cartilage anyway, so even with a sharp point you still have to hit hard to get in deep enough, through whatever stands in the way at the random point of impact. Then your fist slams into the guy’s chest making the “drum” thump. Going through the ribs also means the blow compresses the chest in the way it naturally flexes, so you push some air out besides making the drum sound. Because your knife is blocking the hole it made coming in, most of this air takes the path of least resistance and goes up the throat past the vocal cords. So you also get a fairly noticeable “OOF” from the victim.

The other way to the heart is down through the base of the throat. This avoids the chgest drumming and chest compression but can only be done if the victim’s chin is out of the way. This really isn’t possible against sleepers–the victim has to be standing up. So you basically must tackle him from behind, snatch his head back over your shoulder to expose his throat, then stab. This “tackle” makes the usual scuffling sounds and it lasts 1/2 a second or so before you strike, which is enough time for the victim to start to scream. And it’s quite difficult in practice totally to seal off both the mouth and nose during this quick, blind grab, so usually there’s at least some muffled cry of surprise.

Either way, you’ve killed the guy, but it isn’t instant. There’s still a second or 2 of adrenaline-fueled consciousness before his lights go out. During this time, he will thrash and try to scream, which makes a varying amount of noise depending on what’s around for him to kick, whether or not his vocal cords still work, and how much air he can gurgle out the hole. And if he was holding something, he’s going to drop it somewhere in this process.

I had a great uncle in the Foreign Legion in WW1 myself, and he told the same story about killing 1 guy so the other would wake up to find him. He also said this was BS. They killed everybody, naturally enough, because that was there job. They only told these stories to build their reputation with both friend and foe.

There ain’t no silent kills. Stories otherwise are legend and Hollywood.

2 Likes
#57

Didn’t say about going on a killing rampage in a village I just sayed a a camp of people shouldn’t wake up when you kill the one who’s on guard. And 8f your stealth is high enough you basically can be a assassin I’d that’s your play style.

#58

Being in the military, I happen to be an expert assassin…gtfo :joy:

1 Like
#59

even if what you’re saying is true, which it may be, that person is an expert…Henry is a 20something, and in his day and his life that is a child, who is a blacksmith, barely. The kid has no responsibility and no skill what so ever…until like late late game. I, granted it was in Neuhof which isn’t heavily populated, killed like 7 people in there sleep, one guard who was standing there and another on patrol who I ran like 100 feet, jumped off a pile of dirt over a fence, took the crouch position, full speed moved up behind him and stealth killed him…

stealth is a thing in this game…killing someone who is sleeping right next to someone else is not. Kill them, and either loot quick or leave the area, monitor the situation and when it is clear go loot…just don’t be stupid about it.

1 Like
#60

the only times I get busted stealth killing is if two people are sleeping right next to each other, idk if I’ll ever get high enough level to do that, or if I’m wearing armor/my noise and other details are too high. Get some decent clothing for stealth, get a good enough level and you can ninja areas if you just be careful. NPCs have a good line of sight and some times it is hard to get them out of the spot they’re standing in or get them off their path they’re walking but all NPCs have a schedule and all NPCs sleep eventually, so if you want to kill someone it is best to stalk them and watch their routine…like you would have to do in real life

#61

Didn’t say it makes me a expert assain you cretain. I said that by time Henry’s stealth is high he basically is a assain if that’s how you play.

#62

Why you got to try and be clever? This is a game… and in this game you stealth kill someone and they are instantly dead. Somewhere you have draw the line for realism in a game so here in kcd the higher your stealth the higher chance of making a silent kill even if someone is asleep in the next bed, makes sense right? The whole point of this game is that you can train train train and eventually become a master of your chosen craft. 20 lockpicking? You can open the hardest locks in bohemia… 20 stealth? You can crouch about unheard like a ninja or stealth kill like your an assassin from creed. This isnt irl its a game! Yes it trys to be ‘realistic’ in a sense but there isnt an rpg game out there thats 100% realistic. Please leave your irl in depth knowledge of stabbing people with daggers at home

#63

He’s not clever. How do you reach the heart through the neck? If they are laying down or even standing. I know a getting stabbed in the heart kills instantly. How I know doesn’t really matter but I do. But yeah it’s a game which which i get which is why I give some some room for things to be abit unrealistic. Bit when it says stealth kill that’s what it should be.

#64

Have you never butchered a hog or field-dressed a deer, let alone “stealth-killed” an actual person? Geez…

Examine any human skeleton hanging in a doctor’s office near you. You will observe that, at the top the ribcage, there’s a significant gap between the top edge of the sternum, the upper ribs, and the spinal column. And just a few inches below this opening lies the heart, on top of which is the aorta and the sources of all major arteries. And the trachea runs through this area, too.

Daggers were designed with blades long enough to reach the heart by this path despite their crossguards stopping further penetration when your fist hits the victim. That’s why they were called “misericordes”. But the direction of the strike required is essentially parallel to the spine, which means you need space above for the long blade plus its hilt where you fist is, plus enough extra space to gather momentum for the strike. Which is only possible if the victim’s chin is pulled back out of the way. Once you’re in, you twist the dagger around to make a proper hash out of everything it touches: heart, aorta, major arteries, and trachea.

#65

As i said before its a game and in this game you can clearly see them visually dying straight away with no struggle so there is no need to tell us your expertise in killing stuff because it doesnt relate to this.

#66

I have killed almost everything that has walked or crawled at some stage.
I like some killing after my breakfast, some chilling after lunch. Then a spot of killing after dinner time. Sometimes I’m killing my dinner.

Gutting, blade butting, busting nutting, strutting .

A kill a day keeps the bordum away.

I eat my kills sometimes. With Seasoning of course.

© 2015 Warhorse Studios www.warhorsestudios.cz