so the majority of the active forum members here seem to be European .
I wondered what the view of the EU was in other nations of Europe especially as the UK is set to have a referendum on its membership by the end of 2017 . and the outcome of that right now could go either way .
personally im against the EU and all for individual countries living by their own laws and cultures and being free to negotiate their own trade agreements etc
( serious topic )
By legend, the mother of Genghis Khan has teached him a lesson while he was young about the strength of the tribe. He should break one arrow and so he did without difficulty. Then his mother gave him a whole bundle of arrows which he should break as well. He failed to break a single one of them. And so she taught him about the inherent strength of a community.
judging by that im guessing your pro-EU .
its an interesting point but has so relevance to day to day running of a nation . single nations have throughout history come together when needed during wars etc .
but how could you possibly agree with your nation being ruled by an EU commission in which you have no direct say in who its made up of ? its undemocratic . at best
I have a different opion on this. In process of globalisation its almost impossible to take control over nowaday problems on national level. Companies don´t work on national scale anymore, and problems don´t make halt at borders, so problems need to be fixed where they are, and this is nearly impossible if you only have national possibilities.
I like the idea of EU, the idea of this closely alliance of different peoples and nations (is there realy no english term for german Volk or Völker? I mean term of Demos. I feel affinity to other EU countries, a kind of connection. I hope EU will be a strong union, even if I see some troubles about it, I want more connection about the people, not differences. Even if we don´t all have the same language, culture and don´t live at the same place.
But I would agree there are many problems and missleading in EU. For example a lack of democracy. But where isn´t?
no , im all for working as an alliance . what im against is the EU as an institution which is heading towards a federal government much like the US .
where there is now a call for having an EU army rather than national armies , and increasing power over national parliaments .
i think there is room for corporation but not where we are governed from abroad
I would rather have federal European government than current state, when it is something weird, it would clear a lot of confusion and give clear competences (and responsibilities**) to European Parliament. And current state while it has lot of disadvantages is still better than no formal coalition or rally loose alliance.
** major problem with European Parliament I see right now is that there is no clear set of responsibilities and in the end they are just bunch of people that recommend some things. They are not allowed to do anything and than criticized for not doing anything.
I can understand you, but I think this would not work well, because this kind of alliance wound lack in power I think. Nations would only do what are best for them, and there would be no force to solve problems. It would be more a cumbersome paper tiger that it already is.
For example, if there is a German company making problems in France and the French need to solve this problem they could get to Germany and say: “Hey, this guys making bullshit! do something about it!” Germany would say: "I don´t care, this brings benefit to my country so I will help you if I would have a benefit. I don´t care about your problem."
But if it is one tight alliance Germany would have to do so. And this is not a combination about two countries, its about 28 ones.
But as I say, EU is far from being perfect.
for me that is a huge no .
im British , im not European . millions died for the rights of nations to stay independent and to govern themselves according to their own values , no german , no frenchmen could represent the values of the UK and vise versa
the french would be in a position already without germany to stop that company trading in france so it WOULD be in the interest of germany to compromise . although the government cannot force a company to act differently if its within the law
Its not always this easy. What if a stop trading of france with this company would have worse consequences than originally problem? The economy had asked for open borders, its a huge advatage for companies to work across borders and economy is besides military one of the most important fields of politics.
So we have more and more problems that grow over the national level, and there is no chance to do something about it as a nation.
But its a really complex topic.
but open borders have wrecked the UK tottally , we are in a position where .
we cant house the growing population . wages have dropped hugely , NHS is struggling to cope , not enough school places etc .
the idea of a happy utopia where everyone can move freely is a bit like communism it sounds lovely on the out set but it doesnt work , in fact the EU is nothing more than a socialist ideal and like socialism it will fail (i hope )
I don´t think EU is a socialist thing, and I don´t think they have wrecked the UK tottally. I would think the EU is quite capitalistic. Why does your country get into EU if they don´t want to?
But its not about UK, we have same opion also in germay here, where people say the EU had ruind germany, and germany had to pay for everyone and we are the milk cow of europe. Do you real think UK would lost all its problem if it would leave the EU?
How would the UK have to react to global problems? Why do you think they would have more power if nation only?
I don´t hope it will fail, because this would meen we would be all pretty fucked. 
we never had a say .
[quote=“DrFusselpulli, post:12, topic:23403”]
Do you real think UK would lost all its problem if it would leave the EU
[/quote] alot of them yes , not right away but most of our problems fall down to infrastructure which we cant plan because we have no idea how many will come year to year . if we was to leave we can set immigration caps that would allow us to plan for that level of growth .
making for a much more stable economy and environment
[quote=“DrFusselpulli, post:12, topic:23403”]
How would the UK have to react to global problems?
[/quote] we are a major world player we dont need the EU in this area at all . member of NATO and are along side the US ultimately the leaders of the western world .
a top 5 global economy , a nuclear power why would we need the EU ? a union in which we are out growing by the day , which has earned us a lovely ÂŁ1.7 BILLION fine for doing so well .
[quote=“DrFusselpulli, post:12, topic:23403”]
I don´t hope it will fail, because this would meen we would be all pretty fucked.
[/quote] maybe for you , but the UK isnt in the euro 
germany could easily go it alone as could france . the poorer nation yes would struggle because they wouldnt have our investment on the same level
Im not European, for those who didn’t already know.
Being on the outside looking in, its a bad Idea. need an example look at the U.S. and the slow rise of power and control the Federal government has developed for themselves.
About ten years ago now there was a conspiracy theory floating around about the NWO and NWR, it discusses in incredible detail the formation of the EU NAU (north American Union) and the SAU (south American Union) every country in the world would be apart of one of these unions and each one is apart of the larger collective of unions.
I just see some crazy socialist self fulfilling prophecy going on.
Sounds not like “wrecked the UK tottally to me” 
But do you think you still will be top 5 of global economy if EU will crash? If it crash this will be a huge shock to economy in EU, and if not to UK economy directly then in second order. Who would you export your goods to, if no one could pay anymore?
And if you could not export your goods, you gain less money. If EU will break, europe econonmy will break, and it will take also british economy down the way like an avalanche. Surely, britain will not be on the ground, and also france and germany would survive this breakdown, but this crash would leave to a far worst szenario than we have now.
the UK infrastructure is crumbling thats no secret
[quote=“DrFusselpulli, post:16, topic:23403”]
But do you think you still will be top 5 of global economy if EU will crash
[/quote] yes i do . we are not intertwined to the EU economy as you are . while most of the EU is not getting much growth economically its now predicted (depending on your source ) that the UK this year will becoming the fastest growing economy in the G7 .
we have largely stayed independent economically thankfully as we kept the pound
I am not. This is an answer on political requirements of globalisation.
The power of perception.
Possibly, I know more about the conspiracy theory then I do about what is actually taking place ( I do plan to research it more) I was adding my two cents.
As a socialist, I feel like my political views are getting attacked a bit in this thread… XD
Anyways, since I’m also a globalist, I’m all for the European Union. Especially due to the recent massively increased immigration, I think it’s essential that all the European countries have to work together to create to best possible environment for the immigrants while still trying to minimize the effect on the taxpayers. I would say that globalisation is a step in the right direction towards a better world, perhaps not for some individuals, but for the population in general.
