The EU and possible exits

[TheDivineInfidel]

As a socialist, I feel like my political views are getting attacked a bit in this thread… XD

down with them and down with socialism

[quote=“King_Abraham_III, post:20, topic:23403”]
think it’s essential that all the European countries have to work together to create to best possible environment for the immigrants while still trying to minimize the effect on the taxpayers.
[/quote] why should we accept them (assuming your talking about the boat migrants )

i think we should be following the example of Australia .

you can point to their , prisons containing the immigrants and say its nasty and against their rights . but has it worked ? how many are now dying off the coast of Australia ? 0
cruel to be kind . they will be let go eventually , but at the end of the day they’re committing crimes , we have to make it unattractive and not worth it . the more we accept them the more it becomes a plausible way into europe and ultimately more will make the trip and more will die.

immigration is great on a controlled level , the free movement of workers is ludicrous . all it has done is flood the richer nations with unskilled labour at such huge levels the infrastructure of these nations is taking a huge hit . we need to be able to control who comes in and the numbers .

socialism doesnt work

[DrFusselpulli]

down with them and down with socialism

you can talk here about different topics, maybe even politics, but don´t excoriate others opinion, stay at topic itself and don´t get personal. This will leads the discussion to nowhere…

[TheDivineInfidel]

wasnt meant in an offensive tone dont worry. hence the at the end which was meant to indicate the friendly dig

[DrFusselpulli]

I know, but maybe he does not know. Politics can be a difficult topic and on the internet its difficult to hit the right tone. So, please be a little bit more careful than in other topics, but…
go on.

[TheDivineInfidel]

I know, but maybe he does not know. Politics can be a difficult topic and on the internet its difficult to hit the right tone. So, please be a little bit more careful than in other topics, but… go on.

of course he will i have a good history with @King_Abraham_III but yes your point is taken

[TheDivineInfidel]

Anti-EU campaign worth £7m to be launched in September

the march is beginning i can only hope by 2019 the UK is rid of the EU

[SirWarriant]

I just see some crazy socialist self fulfilling prophecy going on

Couldn’t agree more. Dividing the world into regions like the EU are very much part of that conspiracy. A north American Union is becoming more and more popular in the U.S these days and that’s cause for concern.

Unions like this in my opinion defeat the purpose of Democracy and simply create problems.

[DrFusselpulli]

Hmm… good luck, I hope everything will go well…

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your disgust over dissent is disgusting

[LordCrash]

Whenever I read about politics online and anonymous people discussing such topics on the net I lose my last bits of faith in mankind, sorry.

[SirWarriant]

Whenever I read about politics online and anonymous people discussing such topics on the net I lose my last bits of faith in mankind, sorry.

You’re so fucking cool man.

[DrFusselpulli]

Please, more about topic and less about how disgusted people are about it. Its true that you will read stuff here you don´t like, whatever you think, if pro or against EU… this is politics itself, its the struggle of opinions and volition about public topics with the aid of power…

[TheDivineInfidel]

Then what is your opinion ? You must have one ?

[ProkyBrambora]

I am for europe to be united, though I cannot say whether or not the current EU is a right way.

I do not think that nation of earth being devided into little countires will lead anywhere.
I want humankind to explore space. I want whole earth being one, I’d love to be proud of being human and not just one part of humanity.

But for now we still live in present and we have to try to ovecome our diferencies. So I believe that unification is a good thing.

[thiomay]

but how could you possibly agree with your nation being ruled by an EU commission in which you have no direct say in who its made up of ? its undemocratic . at best

personally im against the EU and all for individual countries living by their own laws and cultures and being free to negotiate their own trade agreements etc

and that is exactly why the EU isn’t democratic because your precous natonalstates don’t want to give up anything. Btw the UK election system looks similary ridiculus. Why can’t everone vote the same party lists? Why not just have everyones vote be worth the same?

Either complain about the Union not being democratic or be prepared to give up influence that the leaders of the lager, more powerful memberstates have. You can’t have it both ways.

[thiomay]

its an interesting point but has so relevance to day to day running of a nation . single nations have throughout history come together when needed during wars etc .

Exept we are in times of need. The national states should be united by the comon threat of corporations avoiding taxes and playing the states aginst each, other in regards to regulation and the like. So like a true union they should work together and harmonize taxes for exemple. But unfortunatly so far all the EU seems to have done is making things easier for those wolves by banning government monopoly or trowing, for exemple southern european public property, to them.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Why can’t everone vote the same party lists? Why not just have everyones vote be worth the same

I agree with this . A lot of people are now waking up to this and a large voice is now calling for our system to be changed .

I want to be ruled by a leader voted for by the British people , who is himself british .

Ruling us by our own values . I don’t want to be ruled by someone in Belgium .

[quote=“thiomay, post:39, topic:23403”]
Exept we are in times of need. The national states should be united by the comon threat of corporations avoiding taxes and playing the states aginst each, other in regards to regulation and the like. So like a true union they should work together and harmonize taxes for exemple. But unfortunatly so far all the EU seems to have done is making things easier for those wolves by banning government monopoly or trowing, for exemple southern european public property, to them.
[/quote] the EU is the biggest cooperation there is and like the unions before it (cough Soviet Union cough ) it’s doomed to fail

[TheDivineInfidel]

Its socialism in a nut shell . The idea of no poor everything’s perfect but in reality it doesn’t work and just creates more poverty and unhappiness (cough Greece )

Margaret thatcher did a good speech on socialism

[ProkyBrambora]

I want to be ruled by a leader voted for by the British people , who is himself british .

So you would not follow great leader who would be undoubtedly perfect in any way just because he/she is not from UK?

Also do you believe that you would be happy if Britain were to vote for their ruler? Do you believe that majority of UK’s population would choose right leader?
I do not.
Simply because in Prague Castle sits a drunken toad that was chosen by majority of Czech Republic.

Democracy is stupid system, but we have nothing better, it seems.

[thiomay]

the EU is the biggest cooperation there is and like the unions before it (cough Soviet Union cough ) it’s doomed to fail

right now it kind of is. and that is a problem but if it was properly democraticized it would at least be accountable to the people

Its socialism in a nut shell . The idea of no poor everything’s perfect but in reality it doesn’t work and just creates more poverty and unhappiness (cough Greece )

exept that the left was only elected after a conservativ party had allready ruind the state. So what are you saing? You would rather be ruled by many relativly small corporation who aren’t accountable to the public. Because privtising all profits and nationalising all losses is such a great idea that will make everyone less poor?