I haven’t read anything besides the first post but I am quite sure the UK won’t leave if it is up to Cameron. If anything he’s using the referendum as leverage/threat to reform the EU to what he wants and frankly I think recent events might mean we could see those reforms. Leaving is a surefire way to ruin the London finance market or at least damage it enough to cause quite a few people to loose their job.
many in his party are Anti-EU , if he doesnt come back with the reforms he is expected to return with many in his party will vote to leave and campaign to leave .
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Leaving is a surefire way to ruin the London finance market or at least damage it enough to cause quite a few people to loose their job.
[/quote] as for that ? nonsense no evidence to support this at all .
this argument follows along the same lines as the one that suggests us leaving would some how end all trade with the EU . which anyone using common sense can see it wouldnt , the EU would agree a free market with us as quickly as possible because the likes of AUDI, BMW etc would demand it . the EU exports huge amounts to the UK they simply couldnt lose our business.
which is also why there is a 2 year process to leaving
If he doesn’t come back with reforms he’s stuck between a rock and a hard place, simple as that. He might leave in the end but it’s not what he wants.
The EU was setup to remove trade barriers inside it’s area.
To quote them on it:
The internal market of the European Union is a single market in which the free movement of goods, services, capital and persons is ensured and in which European citizens are free to live, work, study and do business.
To realize this they changed laws allowing persons to freely move inside (well not completely but more or less) and for goods, services and capital to move without quantitative restrictions. Essentially the opposite of the (limited)protectionism policy which the US is pursuing.
So wheres earlier Italy might say “I hate Germans and German beer, lets put a 30% import tax on it” it isn’t allowed to do so right now.
A consequence of a state leaving could be that all those trade barriers reappear. Whether Polish plumbers contribute to the British economy you might dispute but if British goods and services are taxed more heavily than equal services in Frankfurt, well…
Without those trade barriers London is a highway into Europe for goods, capital and services. With extra taxation less so.
People a lot smarter than me might have done some calculations on this but they aren’t clairvoyant either so maybe it won’t matter. We’ll see I guess.
all of that would be addressed in the trade agreement with the EU wouldnt it 
be like trading with any other nation on earth not an issue at all .
the market set up with the UK would stay the same we just wouldnt be involved politically with the EU , it would be a common and free market set up that benefits both parties. just minus the free movement of people part
even UKIP has never suggested getting rid of the common market with the EU .
That would definitely be the plan yes.
The real question is to what extent such agreements would be set up. Germany could use its influence to promote it’s own domestic car and financial market. Besides, trade agreements would work both ways so what part of the EU are you trying to keep out of the door?
the german car companies etc would demand the deal is done quick . many politicians here suggest it would be done in a single day .
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so what part of the EU are you trying to keep out of the door?
[/quote] the political part . we signed up to a common market not a federal union
I agree with you, the character of the Union has indeed changed but I would not yet call it a federal union.
What policies do you generally disagree with?
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I disagree with the EU having policies in the first place
I beleive it should solely be a single market . That’s it .
It should have 0 input politically to a nation .
But you can not seperate this. Economy is an important political field.
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of course you can , a common market is nothing more than a trade deal . thats where the EU should start and end …trade not the entire economy not a single currency , just trade.
there are plenty of other nations on this planet that have a common market with each other
god i love this man
surprise surprise
What ever you guys do just for gods sake keep a strong military. The U.S has one to many countries relying on it for protection and that’s something i don’t like.
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A single army is more cost efficient. And since the european union is increadibly slow in forming consensus, I could see europe having an army that is reluctent enouth to start pointless wars. The greates concern I would have is that a european army could violently take control on a european level. But than agin I don’t see those militerists being united enoth to pull that off right now.
France and the UK would NEVER commit to a single EU army as we have oversea tertories so it wouldn’t work .
There is rumours they are gonna cut our army to 60,000 . If that happens I give up all hope for this country .
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Well that’s a shame nice to see other NATO countries not upholding their agreements and shafting their military.
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/9guwir1v5e/tabs_OPI_nato_20140331.pdf
In fact support for NATO in the U.S is at an all time low. Which could mean bad news for you if we get an isolationist president in office.
It was an extremely political union to begin with wasn’t it?
nope was only a common market at first
a very good video of arguments of for and against
That’s what I meant.
That common market is a means to an end and not an end in itself.