that may be so but we have been slept walked into the EU’s current form without having a say and its wrong
Today in Frankfurt they are deciding the Greek crisis. Let’s see how that turns out and how it impacts EU itself. Imho Greece is beyond saving… pouring money into them only prolongs the inevitable.
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I agree but kicking them out or them leaving will put the EU in a very very bad situation for example it will cost France an estimated 44 billion . And it will cost Germany 56 billion . Not sure how much the UK gave them but I’m guess it was a chunk .
Some are even going as far as arguing it will crash the euro and be the start of the end for it completely
How would it cost them money?
They won’t throw any more money in that bottomless pit and we’ll all get a nice bunch of island rights?
The question is will it cost them or have it already cost them this much? That is a big difference. Would they be able to recover the money even if they kept supporting them further?
I don’t see that happening in a hundred years.
An why should all the citizens of EU pay for the incompetence of Greek politics any further?
Unfortunately this is not the only country with such problems. Others have got debts that might escalate in the years to come.
Because they are still owed money . If Greece quits they won’t get the money the EU will be left to foot the bill . As Greece would default the money it owes . About 240 bn
Read the article it’s far more in depth then I can be
The eurozone is doomed to fail because of this reason to many of the smaller countries are running into huge debt and how long until the French and Germans say enough is enough as its then who are left to bail these places out
It’s quite evident we won’t get the money regardless of whether they stay in the EU or not. Sure our politicians promised we would get back everything to the last penny but that’s not realistic anymore now.
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of course not , looking into it i dont think the UK gave them anything thank god . so should just be you in the eurozone that take the smack 
sounds harsh but i hope the EU and the euro collapse
If they don’t get some agreement this week it might’ve been better if they defaulted earlier.
The union created to prevent WWIII?
The union that made sure all those small countries could form a fist and still be somewhat relevant as a geopolitical country?
The union that allows me to travel to Austria without having to change currencies five times and be subject to border control for nearly half a day in total?
The EU could have tried a more selective approach to letting countries enter but in the end I think I profit from it.
with or without the EU WW3 isnt going happen between European countries and with the EU’s actions in Ukraine its has nearly caused a major war
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The union that made sure all those small countries could form a fist and still be somewhat relevant as a geopolitical country?
[/quote] which has resulted in a huge cost being put on the larger nations and many flooding the larger nations , spreading thin the infrastructure of the larger nations .
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he union that allows me to travel to Austria without having to change currencies five times
[/quote] why would you need to change currencies 5 times ? only once same as if you was traveking out side of the EU .
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be subject to border control for nearly half a day in total?
[/quote] unlikely , be a simple check like when you go outside the EU by plane and check of your car etc . be no more than an hour tops on a regular day .
I wouldn’t be so sure. Both Italy and Greece nearly turned Communist. Germany was still at odds with France, Spain a fascist state. Post WWII Europe was still a volatile mix.
Cue me in please, what did I miss?
Which larger nations? Do you think France, Germany and the UK count as large nations on a global scale? I’d say Medium.
Toll roads, stopping for a quick snack, car repair etc etc. You don’t wanna be caught in Belgium without Belgian currency.
Did you ever travel to Italy or Austria before the borders opened?
by the EU putting pressure on ukraine to sign up it created a split n the nation leading to civil war and a proxy war with russia . the EU meddled with ukraine and this was the back lash .
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Which larger nations? Do you think France, Germany and the UK count as large nations on a global scale? I’d say Medium.
[/quote] your not serious ? uk and germany especially are very large world players .
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Toll roads, stopping for a quick snack, car repair etc etc. You don’t wanna be caught in Belgium without Belgian currency.
[/quote] pay by card and draw money out if needed fly ? then rent a car far cheaper any way .
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Did you ever travel to Italy or Austria before the borders opened?
[/quote] not by road no
If I recall correctly Ukrainians were protesting in the streets of Kiev against a somewhat pro Russian government.
Lets be honest: nobody wants to fall under Russia’s sphere of influence when you look at how many other post soviet countries (Such as Poland) flourished after joining the EU.
If I put it mildly I can say that not every border control works as fast as Northern European ones…
pro-russian yes
democratically elected yes
those in kiev dont represent the entire nation hence the civil war .
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Lets be honest: nobody wants to fall under Russia’s sphere of influence when you look at how many other post soviet countries (Such as Poland) flourished after joining the EU.
[/quote] tell that to the people of eastern ukraine who are pro-russian .
taking the side of the group shouting the loudest is NEVER a good idea .
Far from offering every consumer and business the benefits of a wider domestic market, after 40 years of membership, less than 5 per cent of UK companies directly export to the EU yet all are forced to bear the burden of its regulations,’ the study said.
‘The EU is not a free trade area but a customs union, and one which has spectacularly failed to deliver trade deals with rising economic giants like China.’
Oh well if the EU collapses a Northern Union (lets call it Gross Deutschland or Magna Germania) will form soon enough and prove to the world that everything south of the Rhine is a big mess.
When I said nobody I meant countries as a whole, not literally everyone inside those countries. When I say: “nobody wants South Africa to return to Apartheid” it’s not that there aren’t individuals who don’t want that but that the general consensus is that it would be a bad idea.
That’s a misleading way to use statistics because it does not take into account the volume of trade or the size of the companies. If Canary Wharf or Shell exports to the EU it’s of a different magnitude than a ten man Cheddar factory in Birmingham. It’s not criticism directed at you but at the author, he should talk in Pounds, jobs and trade volume not companies.
opinion in ukraine is very 50/50 though
ultimatly i think they will have to give donbass and luthansk some kind of independence .
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That’s a misleading way to use statistics because it does not take into account the volume of trade or the size of the companies. If Canary Wharf or Shell exports to the EU it’s of a different magnitude than a ten man Cheddar factory in Birmingham. It’s not criticism directed at you but at the author, he should talk in Pounds, jobs and trade volume not companies.
[/quote] granted yes . that was quote from a leading uk bussiness man however . who are all seeming to be warming to the idea of us leaving .
which is good news
I very much doubt that.
they clearly have a large backing do they not ? to keep fighting the would need one even with russia’s support
from what i can tell it seems to be the older generations are very pro-russian and your young uni students are pro-EU