A lot of those pro Russian Ukrainians are really Russian soldiers on “vacation” not Ukrainian citizens.
The US supported the Taliban with training, cash and John Rambo. You don’t need much to keep an insurgency going. If the 10% pro Russians in Eastern Ukraine have guns and heavy gear then Eastern Ukraine is pro-Russian.
The only reason someone would pick Russia over the EU is because he or she hates the EU for some reason.
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Not to mention every time the pro government is about to win a battle Russian tanks come across the border and make sure the rebels win.
The people who praise Russia’s actions in Ukraine are the same ones who crucify the U.S for the invasion of Iraq. Just a bit of irony.
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they dont do alot of the fighting just the important battles 
the russian army is not their all the time . the moment the separatists start losing the russian army seems to get involved then they win and pull back out .
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The only reason someone would pick Russia over the EU is because he or she hates the EU for some reason
[/quote] because they have grown up in the cold war so many still side with russia .
the EU pushed it on ukraine to fast and split the country . their president at the time was very much stuck between a rock and a hard place .
say no to the EU and he pisses off the west of ukraine , say no to russia and you piss of the east of ukraine .
it should of been done gradually
Interesting. Funny that sir Richard Branson is strictly agaist it. And that is no small person in UK business.
but he is also the same business man that was for the UK joining the euro which would of meant us being is a far worse off situation than we are now
What does it matter what the majority of the eastern ukrainian population thinks now that the war has been going on for so long. Most People in there right mind already left the area. It’s pretty clear that both sides at no point cared what the people of the area truly want. The prorussian seperatists are obviosly bad but that doesn’t make the Ukrainian Nationalists good. I don’t belive the EU could or wants to save Ukrain any time soon and Nationalism definitly won’t save them. So what’s worth fighting for? A prorussian or proeuropean oligachy, great. They loos either way. Sounds like WW2 all over agin for the Ukrain.
Very true . But that is the result of a very pro-EU government in a mixed opinion nation .
They need a government that pleases both sides but I think it’s past the point of no return . Ukraine won’t ever be a unified Ukraine again
I can’t watch the video right now but results are there.
We haven’t had a war in the EU for 80 years which breaks the previous record by 40 or so.
Okay clearly the peace argument can’t be used for everting and EU is a not as democratic as it should be. So what? Nobody ever said the EU is perfect the way it is. But if you live in a dictaorship the solution to the problem is not abolishing the state, because in that case the next bullies in line would just take over or fight for power. It’s naive to think that there wouldn’t be any kind of hegemony or pressure from larger contries in europe if there was no union. It’s not like the union is so different from that now.
Blaming everting on Nations as ahole rather than the people accrually responsible is not constructiv critisim and neither is blaming the EUs existence.
if there was no EU to join we wouldnt have the argument we do in ukraine . of course there would still be arguments between nations .
putin actually explains russias point of view very well in this interview . worth the long watch .
i find putin seems to be far more honest in interviews because of how blunt he is . doesnt mix his words where as western politician plays games with their wording which annoys me .
Regardless about how you feel about the EU, if you acknowlege the Ukrain as an independent state you have to aknowlage that it is with in there competence to decede whether they want to join or not. Maybe EU and NATO expanding into eastcentral and easten europe is threatening to some russians. That may be a cause but it’s not a justification to get involved as they do. (if you acknowlage the other states soverinty) Maybe europe excludes russia, but it’s not entirly europes fault. Putin needs an external enemy and he goes looking for in europe.
But if we are talking about blame for threatening russia i would look for that in the NATO expending east. You know the militery alliance that is actually threatening because there is no serious opositon to it in the entire world.
Well this is rather depressing news.
Don’t leave us.
Dutch firms have direct investments worth €177bn in the UK, earning over €9bn in 2013, equivalent to almost
1.5% of Dutch GDP.(1) Unilever has headquarters in Rotterdam and London. Royal Dutch Shell is headquartered in
the Hague, but incorporated in the UK. Philipps has manufacturing, sales and research operations in the UK.(2)
The Netherlands exported €42bn in goods and €7bn in services in 2013, running a surplus of €6.8bn.(3) It has
among the most intensive financial sector links to the UK with bank loans from Britain totalling €236bn in 2014.(4)
Major Dutch banks such as ING have substantial operations in the UK. While Amsterdam may take business from
London following Brexit, the disruption to Dutch banks and businesses would be substantial.
The Netherlands is closely aligned with the UK in many EU policy debates. Both favour less regulation, more
liberal markets, and opening up external trade. They have, for example, collaborated closely on the better
regulation agenda, with the UK promoting the Dutch model in the face of French, Italian and Spanish resistance.
The Netherlands is vulnerable to the potential political consequences of Brexit. Dissatisfaction with the EU has
been growing with just over a quarter of the population viewing the EU negatively. The strongly eurosceptic PVV
may seek to capitalise on the political fallout from Brexit. The party won over 15% of the vote in the 2010
parliamentary elections, although is support fell back to 10% in 2012.
none of that would be lost , we simply couldnt afford to loose such business . the EU trades huge amounts to the UK . so trade and such would be done within hours . you wouldnt even feel it when we left trade wise .
If that is so then why do they bother writing a 43 page report on it. Seems like a useless exercise.
yes it is .
think about it , if we leave do you think suddenly AUDI are going to stop selling us cars ? no of course not they just adjust to the new legal frame work like they would have to do if they were selling to say the US .
You’d need free trade agreements which work both ways meaning you will still have standards and regulations imposed on you.
But did you read the paper?
no different that what would be imposed on us if we was to trade with the USA or china etc