Fair enough.
Can’t believe such a comity would oversee such a thing though.
haven’t read alot of the conversations. Anyway, my opinion to the EU:
My russian side says, bad idea. but that’s just because of the growing tensions between Eu and russia. 
My german side says, NO BORDERS! FUCK YEAH!
So yeah, my opinion about the EU is divided. 
I am a Serb living in America, and I am strongly anti-EU. Most of my people are, just some corrupt officials in Beograd want to change this and join. I am pro-Russia, very anti-NATO and anti-EU. The EU hasn’t helped its peoples, and even so, the nations within it have very different motives for joining and different goals. I feel my country doesn’t belong in it, as we are a very different culture and economy, and our differences set us very far apart. We never forget the traitorous nature of the rest of Europe when it comes to dealing with us, and we know no matter what and how many of us have to suffer and die for it, we are always alone.
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Im pretty certain Argentina would have invaded anyway. And the islands voted to be British 98%. That’s higher than any referendum vote ever in the UK.
I hope it is nearly perfect translated!?
The do-gooder
-Has the right attitude
(Of course politically left)
-Provides Demands, the consequences of which others must carry.
(Social responsibility)
-Sees itself as the advocate of minorities and disenfranchised
-divides the world into good and evil
-feels morally superior
-tends to symbolic actions with great media impact
-will determine how others behave
The good human
-needs no ideology to help
-sees himself in the duty and always likes to take responsibility
-Makes no big words and helps even locally
-differentiated and wants understand
-is modest
-Is always ready to help when help is needed, help sustainable
-Will acting through its primarily be a model for other
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You speak for yourself, however all serbs I know here from Czechlands an most in Serbia itself support serbian EU accession - mostly for free movement, trade, foreign investment and because no matter how bad such an united Europe is, for them it’s still better than serbian traditionally strong nationalism or isolationism. This just led to war, poverty and emigration in the last decades… And as in any other CEE country, it’s generally better to be ruled with professionals than with some corrupt govt officials 
I would like to see Serbia joining as well, I think is a matter of time anyway, although I would miss a number of retro things nowhere else in the world to be seen… Problem with EU is, that’s a rather liberal western project while CEE is getting increasingly conservative, which is good, and nationalist, which is bad. But with more and more eastern countries, our voice might grew stronger and maybe we’ll one day turn it into (Holy) Roman Empire 
Republicanism never worked, and never will be…
why is having pride in your nation , loyalty to your nation above all others considered bad ?
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Good question. I think nationalism means to live in a lie. We’re better than others. Our culture is superior. Our truth will prevail. Or maybe because there is never just one loyalty. Should I be loyal to my street? city? region? state? federation? union of states? or whole planet maybe? Who can tell? Some crazy politician? Or maybe because I just prefer arguments to subjective feelings. And there it looks quite clear to me.
Regarding all that, also don’t forget that era of nationalism brought wars and poverty to Europe. Golden age here ended in 1918 with loss of southeastern markets and establishment of permanent borders. Living close to a tripoint, i hope they never get closed again
My ancestors fought, some died, for catholic and conservative empire. No matter how I don’t like EU, i would fight for it any day as long as there is no better christian and conservative alliance. Any small nation won’t survive for long. If there were less small states in CEE, their voice would be stronger. So generally nationalism led to a general meltdown… visions of universal christian empire, ancestor of Rome, ended in dust and were replaced by country = nation idea. Very barbaric indeed.
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Theres a difference, back in the old days, If someone was trying to take away the land you took from someone, you would send forces to protect it without worrying. Nowdays, you have to worry about sanctions, nuclear war, trade, relations, money, etc. Even tho Poland is in the EU, I have no faith in anyone trying to save them if lets say Russia decided to take some of the land. Why would UK risk their soldiers for Poland, or Germany? They would try to negotiate, just like they are trying to negotiate over Ukraine. Do you see anything happening apart for few sanctions that Putin just doesnt care about? Thats the thing, when Genghis Khan took over countries, they were his, just like when Romans took over countries, they were Roman countries. EU is just a ‘‘coalition’’ of countries, Its not 1 big country.
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That is not always what nationalism is about. To me and a lot of people, nationalism is just about having pride in your countries accomplishments, and being proud to live in that country. It’s not about feeling superior to anyone.
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Well said, people mistake nationalism with racism very often.
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i wonder why is that though ;D
Because of “white guilt” and history revisionists. The west is the only place where you will find a society ashamed of their history. Modern education consists of shaming kids, and telling them they are responsible for crimes their ancestors may or may not have committed 200 years ago.
This is why nationalism is linked to racism so often. To be proud of your nation is to be proud of slavery, to be proud of your nation is to be proud of the nazis, ect. Just compare Japan and Germany, both did unspeakably evil things 70 years ago. Germans are afraid to love their country for fear of being called a racist. Japan on the other hand celebrates their history, and they don’t sit around sulking and feeling guilty for things that long dead men did.
Every nation has skeletons in their closet, but this doesn’t mean we should feel ashamed of being proud of our nation. Because the majority of nations have done far more things to be proud of then ashamed of.
That isn’t true. Europe, and west, east, south and north, is proud of their histroy. The rennaisance, the scientific method, the great achievements in general.
that is also the way you see modern education not actually the reality. kids are/should be thought what happened in history - the facts - most certainly they aren’t made responsible for crimes of their ancesstors. that is exclusive for religion, adam, eve and that thing.
that is again your opinion. for me being proud of your nation means completely different thing. being proud sharing the land that gave us the pencil, the antibiotics, the electricity, fighting off the nazis without an external help … however all these achievements were often done inspite of that very nation and not because of it and they more often then not, have been endavours of genius individuals not the nationwide projects (although these can be found as well).
however, i can understand why one would think that “to be proud of your nation is to be proud of slavery, nazis…”. I never heard anyone being proud of his nation for “good things” (antibiotics, pens…), those who are loud about their pride are usually proud with what is left. and what are you left with?
wars, killings and conquests. stuff that makes the nation big - is power - might that comes with money and resources that come with conquests. and football tournaments
I disagree. We never had that “white guild” education. If our children would actually pay attention at classes, they would be taught to love our history and what we are. And there always been that link anyway.
It’s just that racist and extremist often use nationalism as a shield.
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for those who want to do something about it …
That’s not what ive been told by many Europeans. I also see them use nationalism as a dirty word, so how exactly can you be proud of your history if you aren’t a nationalist? Being proud of your history is pretty much the epitome of nationalism.
This is the way ive experienced modern education. I just very recently left school, and all history class was pretty much leftist propaganda. Almost everything i learned was completely twisted away from the truth, and always painted Europeans and Americans in a negative light. Pretty much everything i learned about my history and European history was flat out wrong.
People are suggesting that we pay reparations to countries who suffered under slavery 200 years ago. That is completely pinning the blame on us for things our ancestors may or may not have done.
It’s really not, just look at any media outlet, or listen to a group of collage kids, who echo the words of their professors.
When was the last time you were in school, if you don’t mind me asking? Things have changed a lot in recent years.
was that a genuine question or did i misinterpret something? i am proud i share the place where some great inventors were born. it doesn’t make me any better though
can you give an example on any such things? the way you wrote it just seems it doesn’t fit what you comprehend as historical fact.
who is sugesting that, where?
Once again, i protest to the your idea that nationalism is only about “feeling superior” to everyone else. You clearly think nationalism is a harmful thing, and that it often spawns racism, at least this is what your posts are implying.
So when you said you were proud of your history i was surprised because having pride in your nations history is nationalism.
Yes, for instance the conquest of America. I was taught a completely one sided version, that painted the European settlers and Americans who were expanding west as evil murderers. I was told that we committed genocide against the indians, and that the Indians were peaceful non agressive people.
I looked into this on my own time and found it to be crock of shit. Disease was the thing that wiped out the indians not malicious acts of violence by Europeans. The American indians were also far from peaceful, many tribes held slaves, conquered each other ect.
I think the reason they went heavy on the white guilt, is to justify the welfare Indians automatically get just for being Indians. Other minority groups , also get free collage education if they want, and this is all justified through “what the white man did to them”.
If you need more examples just tell me, i have plenty.
So again, here’s my proof that white guilt, and the idea that we are responsible for our ancestors actions does exist in the west. Also don’t Germans still pay reparations to decedents of Holocaust victims?
Not to mention American indians are constantly complaining and demanding reparations about things that happened to their ancestors over 200 years ago.