I didnt say that we should consider any opinion that has nothing to do with bugs but to be warhorse’s personal handjob to be equally valid, but if someone has experience a bug but just wails at you hysterically because he can doesnt mean that it’s constructive either.
But… I’m just nitpicking, forgo my previous statement then.
I have been gaming since the early 80’s. It is a natural progression that games have become larger and more complex. The environment is also more complex. When I started, there were no consoles you only had personal computers. 90% of all new releases these days are very buggy. There is very often the cry of “it was released too soon”. That is why I never play any new game until the first patch drops. I have plenty of other games to play and it is much less frustrating to just wait for the first bug fixer before you dive in. I have been waiting since early kickstarter for KCD to come out, and I think overall I am pleased with what i see. But, its going to be much smoother after that first big patch. It always is and its worth waiting for.
Atari was out then. 
we had an atari and my oldest brother had a commodore 64 when he turned 16
Yeah but nice of you to try and speak for everyone and attempt to police/silence those you disagree with.
So the claimers are allowed to come in here a claim the game is broke even if the majority of players don’t have issues. But those without issues are not allowed to come in here a claim the game isn’t broke? Again nice of you to try and silence those you don’t agree with. [quote=“Tau1310, post:1, topic:49856”]
What I am saying is, to get some peace and normal dialog in this forum, LET PEOPLE COMPLAIN and stop being jerks and stop acting as if people with game issues are attacking you personally
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Again you are saying this should be a safe space for the vocal minority who are complaining. Those who do not have issues and want to come in here and express the game is not as horrible as you claim it is according to you are not welcome?
Again pretty sad attempt at being the forum police and trying to make this into your own complainers safe space.
I agree with the notion of this post. I left the game alone for a few weeks until after a few patches because while the game wasn’t broken I knew it would get better. I’m so excited to try again after this large patch as I was thoroughly enjoying the history and the game as it was.
You are going to get more hate for this post but just know that when people start throwing around words like “majority”, “speaking for others” etc they are likely doing the same thing themselves.
Let people have a moan, it doesn’t hurt anyone and something constructive might come out of it. PEople are more likely to complain anyway but people who gush about a non-perfect product have their own issues.
The game is gtreat, it will get better. A lot of love was put into it and it shows. It might not be perfect but nothing is. Take a chill pill, relax and enjoy life.
Unfortunately, this is simply how things are. There are ALWAYS going to be people who are newbies, because that’s where we all start out at. This is always going to be someone’s first “game that shipped with bugs”. If they’re complaining inappropriately from a place of inexperience, we should all do our best to help them along and give them some berth of tolerance (but obviously they CAN and sometimes DO go too far, and then we should beat down those insolent whelps).
I’m currently moderating the forum for a game that got a very successful kickstarter. Unfortunately, the developer made a few communication mistakes that I’m honestly a bit disappointed in. Some people were getting impatient with a lack of even a clue on the release, because they apparently don’t understand the early stages of game development (seriously, this was shortly after the KS was successful, YEARS before release). The main dev (it’s a tiny team) gave in and said “probably late next year.”
… /sigh
Anyone who knows anything about Game Developing knows exactly where this is going. They didn’t ship by the time the window of “late next year” came and went, and even though he only said it to placate the biggest whiners and he said “probably” and gave a large window… people still accused him of lying. The whiny, loud, entitled, spoiled minority of the Gamer community is truly and utterly disgusting.
Give every complaint the initial benefit of doubt. Help them realize the specifics of game developing, bug creation and fixing, and quality game testing. Then give them multiple opportunities to try to understand it. But… don’t tolerate endless lies and abuse. There’s always got to be a mature middle ground.
Also… “and it was well overpriced” - I haven’t seen this complaint. Are people actually complaining about the PRICE?! This incredibly detailed and handcrafted and not-exactly-100%-bug-free game that is priced at sixty dollars, the industry standard? Do they think this is a bargain-basement indie game? Complaining about the price hurts my brain…
But yes… be constructive w/ your criticism. Be helpful with your reply to said criticism. If your point has been made, please don’t make it 714 more times. That’s called being a troll. Be mature and move on with your life and go to another topic. Be empathetic with people who are angered/upset at the bugs (there are some pretty bad ones, nothing game-breaking in MY personal experience). Acknowledge the difference between broad trends and your own personal experience (i.e. no one cares if YOU didn’t experience a certain bug, 80% of players experienced it, so acknowledge that it exists and needs to be fixed).
Or, to summarize… please be a grown up… everyone.
That was actually one distinct group and several other in distinct groups. They’re working on the bugs they’ve said over and over.
If I was them I’d give your money back. I wouldn’t want a baby back b!tch playing my game anyway. “So far I’ve noticed a lot of bugs and I spent my grandma’s hard earned money 
, etc.” who cares. Go lose your virginity or something else productive.
… Fanboys
Yes, I like your outlook on the possible future of this series. Let us all hope that Warhorse has learned a lot from this release (bugs bugs bugs) and the potential greatness that KCD II could be in the future.
I want KCD II to be about Hussites. Henry Jr. will be able to choose whether to join them or fight them alongside the crusaders. Or this could be KCD III since our Henry still has some youth in him left. It’s not yet time to settle down and spend some of his hoarded money on a forge. Which makes me think that we could easily also have a prequel about Martin set in Prague and Kuttenberg. The Kuttenberg cathedral wasn’t built yet then, which is the only shame about it because it’s a glorious piece of architecture. Let’s hope. I love this game, bugs and all.
“Your unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning” bill gates
I definitely agree with this. Even though i think most of these complaints suck. Every unhappy person will add to a better game. Better business in general.
Stop whining.
Depends on if their unhappiness is:
1)A Legitimate Complaint. You may have noticed a FEW people in the forums demanding that the game that Warhorse made and advertised be changed, post-release, into something that they would prefer to play. These complaints are not legitimate and can be ignored. Most of the complaints are legitimate like “PS4 saved game corruption” and “These quests are bugged/broken in these specifics ways” and the like. Which brings us to:
2)Complaining with constructive feedback is barely more helpful than improper complaining. It’s one thing to say “there are lots of broken quests.” It’s another to give a list of 5 quests and explain why you think they’re broken.
But yeah, your point about unhappy customers as a whole being a great source of information is completely valid. I just get exhausted by… self-entitled naive complainers.
Not sure what you mean.
I do too. I think this quote is absorbed with a grain of salt. The point being that nothing but yes men, wont uncover the faults. I absolutely love the game but ive sent 3 emails to supporr concerning bugs that were fairly severe.
I like the quote because i use it in my personal small business.
I don’t think public ranting constitutes a constructive or even appropriate response
