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I can use it just fine i just prefer mouse and keyboard because its more precise. Plus i don’t have a controller and i don’t want to spend money on one.

@McWonderBeast what do you think of all this police militarization ? @snejdarek @TheDivineInfidel what do you guys think as non Americans?

Chilling police interviews in this video.

This all brings me back to something James Madison said.

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy”

I see two different issues there. One is police militarization and the other is use of military for policing.

We have very clear laws on the possibility of military engagement within the country borders that are outcome of 50 years of Nazi and Communist experience. Even when we get the military to beef up the police numbers sometimes (e.g. floods, international sport events), the soldiers are there only to be the extra muscle of the cops (usually serve in couples), with cop being the only one armed. The vast use of military in policing situations in US would lead to immediate fall of government and new elections in my country.

As regards militarization of police, it is clear outcome of the fact that US is in constant war. Then you get PTSD ex-soldiers coming to police force who expect not only the same kind of armor they had in Afghanistan, but also treat people very much like enemy combatants. On top of that you have government that is pulling out of the wars and has surpluses of equipment and has no idea what to do with them. Instead of throwing these surpluses at Estonians and Latvians who might really need them in near future, they are dumping them on the police force.

For comparison, this is what training of Czech crowd control units looks like. Yes, it is really only a training:

I should also add that Czech perspective is a bit different since we are used to have well armed police. Every police officer has pistol and most police cars have SBRs - Scorpion EVO 3s or Heckler & Koch MP7s. When shit hits the fan (armed robbery or this sort) then EVERY cop on every corner and roadblock in the entire region has either these or get vz. 58 and Heckler & Koch MP5.

Meanwhile in countries like UK and Norway most cops not only don’t have guns, but don’t even get proper training to know how to use one.

Our police has always had a couple of MRAPs they are using usually in crowd control situations or at bank robbery standoffs. But yeah, you don’t see that on the streets unless there is a very good reason for that.


(Yes, that is a firefighting TANK behind the police MRAP).


Just look what kind of units have MP7s in other countries. It is either police special forces or military. Here it is the gun that cops have in car in case they encounter armed suspect. Hell, in UK even the army get only semi-auto version, while Czech cops have the happy shifter :smiley:

however the cezch republic doesnt face the threats that the US has . i certainly dont agree with how armed the US police has come but you simply cant compare the cezch to the US . The US is at the top of every terrorist organisation’s target list so they do have to be ready to combat these threats .

but they certainly shouldnt be deploying this sort of kit outside of that type of emergency situation especially not on any kind of "routine " patrol

when we had the riots here . there was huge call for the government to deploy the military from the pub;ic but even then the government here was very reluctant to do it as its very slippery road to go down deploying the army to deal with riots at home however every unit that had such training to deal with riots were placed on stand by in the last days .
i somewhat believe the threat of the deployment stopped the riots in its self

our armed police are trained to a very high standard and they’re very common in large cities . there response time are only a few minutes so we have enough to deal with any threat that we have .
that being said i do think all police should be armed

That’s what worries me. I don’t think police should have mine proof vehicles. The SWAT armoured vehicles are enough we don’t need normal police driving around in them. They are being used as stupid things like giving people tickets and other stuff like that. And as you saw with the Boston bombing police drove around in them busting peoples doors down.

American police are also very well armed most have m4s in their cars along with a shotgun and their pistol. I can’t think of a situation where SWAT hasn’t been enough. We don’t need all the police dressed up like SWAT.

Yes but the training videos in that video i linked were the military and national guard dealing with citizens. What would you think if you saw your military training to detain Czech citizens and haul them away with bags over their heads.

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Everything has been said already :wink:

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Well i think its going to go down violent. Maybe not in 10 years or even 20 but definitely in my life time. Anyone who stockpiles ammo, guns, food, or is a veteran of the U.S military are considered terrorists by the National authorization acts. They already have “FEMA camps” ready for anyone who doesn’t go along with it. Even more disturbing are the chains with thousands of shackles in the box cars or the millions of disposable coffins FEMA ordered.

Always great to learn your government considers you a threat and a terrorist. Constituionalists people who believe in the Constitution are considered dangerous and the cops say that’s why they need tanks. I mean how fucking shitty is that. I’m apparently dangerous and a threat to the government for loving my country and strongly believing in the constitution.

And then you get death because FBI “overstates” your hair match…

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@TheDivineInfidel How does it happen that immigrants that know no language, have nobody to lean on, don’t have a roof over their heads, find a work and turn their lives around in UK while a million of local people are reliant on the food banks in order not to starve?

easy . because these people are taken advantage of . they come here and accept jobs for half the wage a brit would . for example keep it simple numbers here .

a British tradesmen might want £200 a day and all the englishmen will ask for the same so the price stays at £200 a day everyone is happy .

mr Romanian comes in and doesnt quite understand this and goes ill do it for £80 a day . who you gonna hire ? damn fucking right your gonna go for mr cheap and after a while and a few hundred thousand poor immigrants doing the same thing and the accepted price for that tradesmen has now dropped from £200 a day to £80 a day and no one will hire anyone asking for more .

so the englishmen is forced to drop his price and accept the work for so little or have no income which is fucking fine for the romians as there is 20 of them in one flat covering the rent ! but for the brit who has a family to feed he cant live on so little so he has no choice but to ask the state for help .

thats the reality of the UK’s issues and why mass immigration has fucked us . great for the large corporations but shit for the guy with a family trying to make ends meet .

when there is a steady flow of immigration say 50k a year then these immigrants are interrogated into our society and the accepted prices of things so these issue doesnt happen . you have healthy competition but not being fucking silly .

who and too top it off these 20 Romanians then fuck off back to Romania after 5 years with a nice lump sum and live like fucking kings .

@SirWarriant this sound familer to you with the mexicans in the US ?

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however like any nation we have a large chunk who are just lazy and dont aim to make anything of themselves and are quite happy living off the state

I hear the same argument here in my country too, but then I see a Ukrainian working construction 12 hours a day 7 days a week and making €2.000 per month, while Czechs in construction do 8 hours a day 5 days a week and are content with some €750 a month.

I come from region with highest unemployment rate (black coal mining, heavy industry - go figure). When I was at university it was impossible for me to get a job that was anywhere near my qualification. I could say fuck it and get a good job elsewhere (UK… :slight_smile: ) or say fuck it and sit on my hands. Instead I worked for just a few Korunas in Tesco, in bakery, in construction, in various manufacturing companies. It was just temporary for me but there were quite a few other young people for whom that was as far as they could get. Yes, it is hard for them to get by with the money they get but they do it and at the end of the day they put the bread on the table, instead of going to foodbank and lamenting that they have too low wages because of the Slovaks/Ukrainians/Vietnamese/Pollacks/etc.

I’d say that attitude is half of the problem. Of course, the immigrant pressure on the wages is an issue, but hardly to the point where locals would be forced to go to the foodbanks.

We have plenty of jobs that simply locals would not do. Prime example is sorting of rubbish at waste disposal plants. This is now 100% Vietnamese occupation, because anyone else who had ever tried it - be it Czech or Bulgarian or Nigerian - just gave up.

Last but not least my grandpa could hardly have completely refurbished house if not for having the job done by Poles for half the price. So yeah, the coin has two sides.

much the same then but we have it on such a large scale and when they come from such a poor country they dont have the concept of how much money is actually worth .
for example they see a job advertised for say £35,000 a year and think "fuck thats alot of money back home " when in reality the job should be paying closers to £60,000 a year . and 35k doesnt go far especially in london where the average house is 300k plus and a pint of beer is between £5-£7 etc .

back in romaina though 35k is like earning 500k :slight_smile: so its a huge issue

100%. Its the biggest load of horse shit. They are painted as hard working people when in reality one works hard and 30 others live with them. They make crime rates soar in areas where they are heavy and they have no respect for our country. They don’t have to pay taxes yet they get all the benefits of being a citizen like sending their kids to public schools.

America is starting to turn into Mexico in some places and by 2050 Mexicans will be largest ethnic group in the country passing whites. You will see Mexican flags flying at schools. It pisses me the fuck off. During the government shut down they were allowed to protest at the capitol building but World war 2 vets were beating down by riot police because they were protesting the closing of the memorial.

You’re lucky that your immigrants leave. Ours stay and turn once nice neighborhoods into shit dumps that look like a Mexican shanty town. In my short life ive seen the town i pretty much grew up in turn into a cesspool of Mexicans. The local schools only speak Spanish and fly the mexican flag, and say the Mexican national anthem. They also take all the jobs because like you said immigrants will work for super cheap. Mexicans here will work for like 1 dollar an hour mean while mimimim wage in my state for citizens is 7-8 bucks an hour.

All the bleeding heart northeastern liberal states want them to come here because they don’t have to fucking deal with them. Its the western states that get fucked in the ass by it.

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jesus fucking christ , these people for fucking real how can you even argue that we owe them money for fucking slavery

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What a fucking bitch. Black people are always trying to find new ways to leech off society so they don’t have to work hard. White people have been paying for blacks for close to a 150 years in America through welfare and food stamps.

Its absolutely ridiculous that she claims that slavery is still effecting blacks in today’s society. If her ancestor hadn’t been dragged to America or Britain today she would be starving in a fucking shanty shack in some shit African village.

That man is 100% spot on. Every culture and race has been affected by slavery at one point or another. The Irish were treated are far worse than blacks and Irish slaves were actually worth less than black slaves.

Minorities just want to bitch about how they’re mistreated but in reality they’re not. Black kids in America can be chosen for collages over white kids even if they have lower testing scores than White kids. I am absolutely sick of this playing the victim bullshit.

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