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#2637

You seem to be a little slower, so I will break it down for you.

If someone has citizenship of the United Kingdom, it doesn’t make him English, does it? It is the same with Germans that had had Czechoslovak citizenship.

Hitler didn’t make anyone German citizens. They had to renounce Czechoslovak citizenship by actively proclaiming they are - and have always been - German.

No, they were not Czech prior to the war. Prior to the war they were Czechoslovak citizens of German ethnicity.

No they are not. Once they denounced Czechoslovak citizenship and accepted German citizenship, they needed to prove that they have actively opposed Nazi regime in order to regain Czechoslovak citizenship after the war. If they were complicit/indifferent to Nazi crimes, they had to go to Germany.

It seems that you did not click on the link I gave you before, so here it is again:


So clearly, those who stayed could not have and did not serve in Wehrmacht/SS (unless they later actively joined resistance/Czechoslovak army abroad - which was the case of my grand-uncle, who was first flying for Luftwaffe and then worked as an airplane mechanic on allied airfields as a member of the Czechoslovak army abroad - he was Silesian who was able to regain Czechoslovak citizenship for actively serving against Nazi Germany).

Again, if anyone who had had Czechoslovak citizenship wanted to fight for Germany, he had to denounce Czechoslovak citizenship and show that he is of German heritage.

My great-grandfather was born in Silesia, at the time part of Austria-Hungary, in the area that was first invaded by Poland in 1938 and then by Germany in 1939. He was Silesian, ethnicity that Germans categorized for themselves as German. Today the Poles categorize Silesians as Polish. Anyways, he could not have served as Czechoslovak in Wehrmacht, he had to gain German citizenship first. Which he did.

Will you now claim that my greatgrandfather was in fact Austrian-Hungarian?

The fact that you are born in Bohemia doesn’t make you Czech. You may be Bohemian Czech or Bohemian German.

Aaaan as it happens, he was not even born in Bohemia, but in Moravia, in a German municipality to an ethnic German family - that used to have Czechoslovak citizenship, but again, that doesn’t make them Czech.

See, that is the difference. If a German with Czechoslovak citizenship moved to US and got US citizenship, he would be German American, not German Czechoslovak. He he was Czech with Czechoslovak citizenship who would gain American one… he would be Czech American, not Czechoslovak American. Are you getting the difference there?

Firstly, you don’t get Czech citizenship today by simply being born here. It doesn’t work like it works in US. That is also why we don’t get 8 months pregnant Arabs coming to the Czech Republic for “vacations” like US or UK does.

Secondly, those Germans that used to have Czechoslovak citizenship were born in Austria-Hungary. Using your logic they were Austrian-Hungarians.

They were mostly Austrian-Hungarians by birth, with some young ones possibly Czechoslovak by birth. But having Czechoslovak citizenship doesn’t equal to being Czech as same as having United Kingdom citizenship doesn’t equal being English.

So if a Pakistani with United Kingdom citizenship that now lives in London moves to France and gets French citizenship, will he be English too?

#2638

If he was born in the UK then yes he is British .

If we follow your logic then . Hitler claim to that land was just and you agree with the appeasement put in place then ?
If you’re born in any country legally speaking you come from that country . That’s how it works .
These people were born in cezch so they’re cezch .

@SirWarriant may have British ansestors and he speaks English but born in America . Would you say he is British ? No you wouldn’t .

What about French Canadians ? Are they French or Canadian ?

I get it . As a person and a nation you’re ashamed to see them even as cezchs but they were born inside the cezch border lived inside the cezch border up until Germany took its over . So they’re cezchs . Traitors maybe but cezch none the less

#2639

Not legally . As he would of been born in cezch .

When asked he would most likely say .

"I was born in cezch but my family is German "

#2640

I asked you whether he is English. Never in the sentence did I ask you whether he was Birtish.

And even if we followed your logic, he would be “Czechoslovak”, not Czech.

#2641

my god.i lost myself in the glory that is gta 5 on pc.

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#2642

Well aware . for ease of writing I shortened it as I was using my phone if that is ok with you .

There is no such nationality as English . It’s british :slight_smile: but yes he would be English if born in London

#2643

Hey @TobiTobsen , considering that you are letting some nice pics now and then to media, like the last German long interview or the new one on polygon, how about releasing some pictures to the community now and then too?

#2644

British people are Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English. Scottish and Irish are native to the British isles and the English and Welsh are either French or Germany if you go back far enough.

#2645

You are totally right! I will change that! :slight_smile:

But the Polygon pictures are old! :slight_smile:

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#2646

Correct but officialy English doesn’t exsist , my passport says British as it would if I was Scottish etc . That’s what I meant

#2647

Man, I swear that debating with you sometimes feels like watching a dog chase his tail.

#2648

I haven’t seen the one at intro (the look from above the castle) yet.

Also, from the polygon article:

Recruiting large numbers of peasants against heavily aristocratic and knightly enemies, the bow was a useful element of combat.

I think that crossbows were the Hussite thing, bows not so much.

#2649

No not at all . I consider my self English . But legally English doesn’t exisit I’m legally British .

Make sense ?

For example if when filling out a passport form I put "English " there is a decent possibility it will be sent back to me as wrong and told to re write it

#2650

They didn’t ask me! :smiley: So I wasn’t in charge there! :slight_smile: … but you always need to ask… is it possible that they had bows? Yes? --> Case solved! :slight_smile: But yeah the crossbow was/is way easier to use!

#2651

Well I am really a firearms guy, but from the little I read about medieval battles it seems that crossbow bolts are much more effective against armor at short-to-medium ranges than arrows fired from bows. Considering that it was a peasant army fighting professional armored warriors, crossbows make more sense.

According to empires of the sea during the siege of malta, there was a moment when the defenders basically ran out of gunpowder/bullets and were forced to turn to crossbows that were stored in the fort and really considered only historical artifacts that nobody had yet had the time to properly get rid of.

The Ottomans had clothing that was to some extent able to protect the soldiers from firearm bullets, however both sides were quite surprised to find out that the bolts just went into the attackers like a knife into butter.

Not that I would think that 1403 Czech crossbow would be the same as 1565 ones used at Malta, but I guess they could not have differed all that much.

#2652

So following this logic, when you get French citizenship, will you be still British?

#2653

Yes I would still be British by birth

My fiancé is a good example here . Her parents are German but she was born in the UK as they moved over before she was born . She speaks German to her parents and the rest of her family all live in Germany as do her parents as of last year as they have retired back home .

How would you describe her nationality ?

#2654

Gotta love collage kids…

#2655

In our constitution, everyone is free to decide for themselves, so I would not decide it for her.

#2656

@SirWarriant

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