Just that Putin is talking about reversing what has happened in the past quarter century and in the political sunday tv live debate they seriously talk about how fast their tanks can reach Berlin…
You can’t use normal logic on them. As Merkel said it:
“I understand why he has to do this — to prove he’s a man,” Merkel said.
“He’s afraid of his own weakness. Russia has nothing, no successful
politics or economy. All they have is this.”
come on now you’re more intelligent than this . i understand with your countries past you dont like russia but they have no intention of invading europe .
i dont hink they have any intention of invading ukrane they just want it to remain their bitch
This is like listening to Chamberlain in 1938.
huge differences in situations though . this is a proxy war . that was a full invasion which if russia did would be hugely different .
my country is doing alot more than yours so instead of telling me and @sirwarriant nations are not doing enough tell your own government to do more . why dont you take your weapons and fight the evil russians .
Well first of all, I was the one who said in this thread that doing more would not be helpful at this moment, so I don’t know where this line of thought is coming from.
Secondly, at the time Chamberlain was signing the Munich Agreement, Hitler was already fighting a proxy war in Czechoslovakia, just that Czech authorities were much more efficient so it could not lead to the outcome it did in Ukraine. So while Ukrainians now have 6.000 KIA we had only 100 KIA and 2000 MIA.
This is like something from Star Trek First Contact. From some far, far away galaxy.
@thedivineinfidel, @sirwarriant
I hope they won’t fuck this up. It may be a really good movie if they don’t fuck this up.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/02/fifty-shades-jamie-dornan-anthropoid
I never said we gave them that gear. What i meant was giving them tanks, and other shit could easily provide Putin the excuse he needs to invade Ukraine. Something you were very much advocating for earlier in thread. I wouldn’t mind giving them equipment like say artillery because they could be used from far enough away that capture by the “rebels” would be unlikely.
True how ever they get plenty of their equipment from the Ukraine military. They just get out of their vehicles and run away. Its similar to the Iraq situation where ISIS is now rolling around in Abrams.
Can’t change the past im afraid. Like i said i have mixed feelings about giving them aid. On one hand we promised it too them. But on the other hand the equipment they already have they just leave behind.
I think the best solution is to jump start their vehicle factory’s like that one man said in the VICE video.
Are you seriously linking an info wars article after you told me i watch too much Alex Jones and that everything from that website is crazy talk?
The “rebels” were celebrating shooting down a Ukrainian plane before they realized it was a passenger air plane…
Yes the U.S is the only one keeping their military at super power level. All i keep reading about is U.K military cuts. Obama has tried to do the same thing here but hes been met with massive back lash.
What makes other sources more trust worthy? The fact that they’re pretty much government owned?
Russia likes to show off un tested flashy things to try and scare the west. By the way i was reading up on the carrier killer missile and turns out it has never been tested. In fact there’s speculation that China hasn’t even built them yet and they’re only in concept.
Russia and China have always favored that “overwhelm the enemy with cheap vehicles and mass amounts of troops”.
Maybe you should get real. Putin was the head of the KGB when America and Russia were at each others throats. There were plenty of high ranking officials on both sides who wanted that war. And a lot of them are bitter it never happened. They spent their whole carriers preparing and expecting a war that never happened.
Had the U.S troops pulled out of Europe after Germany’s down fall in ww2 Russia would have taken all of Europe. So no its not silly to say Russia has its sights set on Europe. The last 10 years there have been 2 European countries invaded by Russia. I personally think Putin wants his old satellite states back.
Their actions speak other wise. You could say Putin just wants to control his sphere of influence but you never know. No one say the invasion of Ukraine coming.
I wouldn’t get too high of hopes.
No, I never said that. I said they have enough armor and artillery. They need modern intercoms, couple of drones and couple of artillery radars (that detect the position of enemy artillery so that they can shoot back without destroying half the town).
I agree. That is why I said EU needs to start buying Ukrainian.
My gov will now be buying for example transport planes, somethin Ukrainians are really good at. We should LEASE them from Ukraine instead of buying elsewhere. This way the factory gets money and we know we can always give the planes back should the leadership in Ukraine change.
Fuck Czechoslovakia alone had enough tanks to roll all the way to Paris, not to mention the Soviet military might. As you said, the only way that prevented it was the US commitment to Western Europe.
I dunno about drones. Half the time they just end of killing civilians. Plus the amount of money they cost is obscene. It would be far more cost effective to give them manned air craft.
Sorry for not being precise enough. Killing drones surely not. I had in mind scouting drones. They clearly have no idea what is behind the enemy line, which was the main reason why the Russian forces had the upper hand despite having numerical disadvantage.
Fuck me that is unreal.
Our version of the Jeremy Kyle show. A bunch of trashy fuck tards up on stage screaming for attention. I would love to see them all gunned down on stage.
bit like the US does though isnt it 
both sides are as bad as each other in this area though .
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By the way i was reading up on the carrier killer missile and turns out it has never been tested
[/quote] not to honest here how much of our kit has been truely tested in combat ? not alot of it , why ? because we simply have not had a "proper " war in which to use it . Britain has a slight advantage here over the US in the fact we had the war with argentina .
in the Falklands we found out pretty quickly that there were many flaws in our missile counter measures / AA systems etc that we though made us untouchable . from that conflict the UK and the US quickly sorted these issue’s but the question is would these same issue arise on our systems of today . would our systems/ Kit work as well as we think it would .
thats a question that simply cant be answered without a proper conflict .
so nothing is truely tested until it see’s combat .
personally i cant see them deploying a weapon that hasnt been tested on a range . they may show it off before testing but putting it operational before testing i simply cant see
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Had the U.S troops pulled out of Europe after Germany’s down fall in ww2 Russia would have taken all of Europe. So no its not silly to say Russia has its sights set on Europe. The last 10 years there have been 2 European countries invaded by Russia. I personally think Putin wants his old satellite states back.
[/quote] you dont know that . no one does . so refrain from such comments they’re pointless
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They spent their whole carriers preparing and expecting a war that never happened.
[/quote] thats sort of their job …
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Maybe you should get real. Putin was the head of the KGB when America and Russia were at each others throats. There were plenty of high ranking officials on both sides who wanted that war. And a lot of them are bitter it never happened. They spent their whole carriers preparing and expecting a war that never happened.
[/quote] russia isnt going to role through europe invading this is nothing more than scare mongering .
like the cold war neither sides wants a all out war it would devastate both sides and achieve nothing .
both sides want to increase their worlds influence . this is all it is . ukraine has always been a country we simply should of left alone
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Their actions speak other wise. You could say Putin just wants to control his sphere of influence but you never know. No one say the invasion of Ukraine coming.
[/quote] the russian invasion of europe is no more likely than the NATO invasion of the middle east or asia .
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Yes the U.S is the only one keeping their military at super power level. All i keep reading about is U.K military cuts. Obama has tried to do the same thing here but hes been met with massive back lash.
[/quote] yes its disgusting in my opinion . as for the US i do think you should decrease your defence budget . not the size of your miltary but the amount you spend on it . spend more wisely
and who is going to pay for all that ?
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I agree. That is why I said EU needs to start buying Ukrainian.
[/quote] no we should start buying what serves our miltary the best . if that happens to be ukrainain kit then so be it .
the US and UK mostly buy from eachother with BAE, Boeing etc because they make the best kit tobreak that relationship would need the ukrainains to build something very very good which they dont really have the cash to do
ohh and i brought witcher 3 …really good game FPS fucking suck XD might have to go buy a 980 in the morning
It is common sense.
Ukraine was in Russia’s lap for the past 25 years. They had every single Ukrainian leader on a short leash. Just that the previous President got to office on the promise of getting Ukraine closer to EU and worked for 2 years towards this end. Then he went for a visit to Moscow where he was reminded of his place under the sun, came back and suddenly instead of signing deals that the government was negotiating for 2 years he said they will accede to the Russian economic union.
Maybe that would be a reason in UK to put extra sugar in the afternoon tea, but it is a pretty good reason for a fucking riot and toppling of government anywhere else.
The difference is that Putin is saying out loud that he wants to revers the past 30 years. Meanwhile nobody in NATO makes claims on middle east.
I would be glad if it goes from my own taxes. In the current situation I’d rather see it in Ukrainian hands rather than have it stored in the army warehouses. The Czech government already sent quite a large deal of arms to Iraqi government and the Kurds (including helicopters for pennies, now also ground support airplanes ALCA 159) so I don’t think anyone would bleed because of what I said should be given to Ukrainians.
yes maybe but it didnt happen so its pointless basing an argument upon it
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Maybe that would be a reason in UK to put extra sugar in the afternoon tea, but it is a pretty good reason for a fucking riot and toppling of government anywhere else.
[/quote] is it though ? considering half the country wanted the deal signed the other half didnt . he was elected . he should only step down after a electoral defeat this is democracy .
he may of been very corrupt but he was voted in by the people
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The difference is that Putin is saying out loud that he wants to revers the past 30 years. Meanwhile nobody in NATO makes claims on middle east.
[/quote] source please .
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I would be glad if it goes from my own taxes
[/quote] but it wouldnt would it , it would go from mine or @sirwarriant taxes .
if they can pay for it then they can have whatever they want .
we have sent them some armoured carriers, the US has sent them humve’s and we have sent them of non-lethal kit . and on top of that we are providing military training and thats as far is it should go at this PRESENT stage .
IF russia was to invade ukraine then of course we should be getting much much more involved .
right now it would be unwise for us to provoke anything with russia unless they themselves turn to full military involvement
a remake of a speech colonel . Tim Collins made hours before the invasion of iraq .
