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[snejdarek]

he should only step down after a electoral defeat this is democracy

How about being impeached by the parliament? That doesn’t count for you?

but it wouldnt would it , it would go from mine or @sirwarriant taxes

How exactly would US/UK pay for the equipment a Czech government would take from the Czech Army warehouses in the Czech Republic that has already been paid by the Czech taxes and send it to Ukraine? Because that is exactly what I said.

if they can pay for it then they can have whatever they want

No they can’t because they are under de-facto embargo now. The only place where they can buy at will seems to be Israel right now.

we have sent them some armoured carriers

You mean the museum pieces? I am fine with that, as long as we call it for what it is.

[TheDivineInfidel]

How about being impeached by the parliament? That doesn’t count for you?

that only happened because of the riots . a large poition of the country didnt agree with the riots , hence why you now have a civil war .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:3559, topic:21032”]
How exactly would US/UK pay for the equipment a Czech government would take from the Czech Army warehouses in the Czech Republic that has already been paid by the Czech taxes and send it to Ukraine? Because that is exactly what I said.
[/quote] the cezch wont be sending much on the scale of things if NATO/EU was to decide to arm ukraine or send huge amounts of kit the UK, US would be sending the most . hence mine and sirwarriant’s taxes more than yours

[quote=“snejdarek, post:3559, topic:21032”]
No they can’t because they are under de-facto embargo now. The only place where they can buy at will seems to be Israel right no
[/quote] i dont agree they should be under this no . its just so obama is not seen as arming them and proking russia but i cant see how it would be if they are purchasing off private firms such as BAE etc

[TheDivineInfidel]

You mean the museum pieces? I am fine with that, as long as we call it for what it is

what was you expecting state of the art kit that costs millions

[snejdarek]

the cezch wont be sending much on the scale of things if NATO/EU was to decide to arm ukraine or send huge amounts of kit the UK, US would be sending the most . hence mine and sirwarriant’s taxes more than yours

We are talking from the beginning about, and I quote, modern intercoms, a few drones, a few artillery radars.

Czechs alone can send it to Ukrainians. Within 48 hours if the decision is made. So how exactly woudl UK/US be sending any of that, please?

that only happened because of the riots . a large poition of the country didnt agree with the riots , hence why you now have a civil war

Well using that logic all Czech governments after 1989 were illegitimate and we should reistate the communists.

hence why you now have a civil war .

And let us just ignore the fact that most of the leadership are Russian citizens and Russian secret service members.

[SirWarriant]

bit like the US does though isnt it both sides are as bad as each other in this area though .

No all our our vehicles and equipment is for the most part combat tested. No one has a more combat tested and experienced military as of now. We’ve been in more wars than any country has in the last 50 years. The A-10 warthog (arguably the best close ground air support plane in the world) proved it self against T-90s that Russia had sold to Iraq.

not to honest here how much of our kit has been truely tested in combat ? not alot of it , why ? because we simply have not had a "proper " war in which to use it . Britain has a slight advantage here over the US in the fact we had the war with argentina .

I hate to break it to you but the Falklands war was over 30 years ago. I would assume we’ve upgraded since then…

so nothing is truely tested until it see’s combat .

Most of our stuff has.

you dont know that . no one does . so refrain from such comments they’re pointless

You should read some of the memoirs of Soviet leaders at the time. Many of them assumed the U.S will leave Europe quickly and they had their sights set on taking the western half.
Same deal with China and Japan. But the nuclear blast sent a clear message that if they tried for China or for Japan they would be obliterated.

thats sort of their job …

Yes and many of them were bitter they never were able to wage the war of their dreams.

russia isnt going to role through europe invading this is nothing more than scare mongering . like the cold war neither sides wants a all out war it would devastate both sides and achieve nothing .

both sides want to increase their worlds influence . this is all it is . ukraine has always been a country we simply should of left alone

Actually both sides wanted nothing more then to beat the living shit out of each other. How ever they couldn’t do that without a nuclear war so thank god for that.

yes its disgusting in my opinion . as for the US i do think you should decrease your defence budget . not the size of your miltary but the amount you spend on it . spend more wisely

No we should not. We’re the only real military super power left in NATO at the moment. Europe could not match Russia or hell even China. Its made it into a situation where we would have to come pull you out of the fire.

We’re also getting into with China right now. With them building islands in the south China sea. They threatened to shoot down one of our planes even though it was in international waters.

China is a bunch of scum bags.

[SirWarriant]

CNN talking out of their ass since 1980.

Maybe if anti gun people actual got out and went to a shooting range. Learned that guns aren’t just scary death machines made by satan, then i would be more inclined to not throw their arguments out the window.

[SirWarriant]

Well gentlemen, Its almost here

[SirWarriant]

'28 Months Later' Is (Finally) Happening, Following Alex Garland's Story

Did you fellows see the first two. Always scared the shit out of me when i was younger.
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[McWonderBeast]

Me and a mate wrote our version of 28 months later and played a D20 Modern(D&D) campaign based on it.

That would be real cool if they actually made it.

[SirWarriant]

Yeah there’s talk about it for a while now. I would assume it would be all of Europe infected since 28 weeks ended with the Effile tower in the background.

I’d much rather have to deal with a walking dead type zombie then the infected from 28 weeks later. With the 28 weeks infected… you’re just fucked

[TheDivineInfidel]

We are talking from the beginning about, and I quote, modern intercoms, a few drones, a few artillery radars.

Czechs alone can send it to Ukrainians. Within 48 hours if the decision is made. So how exactly woudl UK/US be sending any of that, please?

then send it . thats fine but what i mean is if NATO took a colective decision to all send gear the US and UK would be sending the most .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:3562, topic:21032”]
Well using that logic all Czech governments after 1989 were illegitimate and we should reistate the communists.
[/quote] if thats what you want as a nation then yes .
but what im saying is just because a group is shouting the loudest , doesnt mean they represent the largest view . it has led to thousands dead .
the correct decision should of been the parliament pushing through an early election so the whole country can be heard . an revolt goes against the entire principle of a democratic society .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:3562, topic:21032”]
And let us just ignore the fact that most of the leadership are Russian citizens and Russian secret service members.
[/quote] irrelevant , they were voted in

[snejdarek]

the correct decision should of been the parliament pushing through an early election so the whole country can be heard . an revolt goes against the entire principle of a democratic society .

Parliament impeached the President and pushed through the early election.

So basically, Ukrainians did what you are saying, but for some reason you still continue with saying that it is wrong.

irrelevant , they were voted in

Now that is complete bullshit.

[TheDivineInfidel]

No all our our vehicles and equipment is for the most part combat tested. No one has a more combat tested and experienced military as of now. We’ve been in more wars than any country has in the last 50 years. The A-10 warthog (arguably the best close ground air support plane in the world) proved it self against T-90s that Russia had sold to Iraq.

yes , but what about your navel defences on your ships , new AA systems . the US has not faced a formidable foe since the korean war .

so while much your ground kit is tested and ground attack planes etc your navy isnt tested .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:3563, topic:21032”]
I hate to break it to you but the Falklands war was over 30 years ago. I would assume we’ve upgraded since then…
[/quote] indeed which was my entire point how do we know that the we could experience the same kind of issues with the new kit .

bit like bug testing a game really . you can test and test and test and the game is flawless . then the general public start playing it , in different ways , different approaches that you didnt expect and suddenly bugs appear . when that happens in a war the consequences can be quite huge . but that works both ways of course with russia’s kit which is alot less combat tested than ours (their new kit )

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:3563, topic:21032”]
You should read some of the memoirs of Soviet leaders at the time. Many of them assumed the U.S will leave Europe quickly and they had their sights set on taking the western half.Same deal with China and Japan. But the nuclear blast sent a clear message that if they tried for China or for Japan they would be obliterated.
[/quote] maybe so . but they didnt so its pointless adding it to a debate

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:3563, topic:21032”]
Yes and many of them were bitter they never were able to wage the war of their dreams.

TheDivineInfidel:
[/quote] i dont think putin and his generals were around in the 50’s

Actually both sides wanted nothing more then to beat the living shit out of each other. How ever they couldn’t do that without a nuclear war so thank god for that.

not at all , was a war of bluffs neither side wanted an all out war with each other .

We’re also getting into with China right now. With them building islands in the south China sea. They threatened to shoot down one of our planes even though it was in international waters.

interesting though , you say this as how would you expect your military to react to Chinese or russian spy planes sitting just outside US air space ?
i can tell you for fact the US airforce would be sent up and would be warning the Chinese planes to back off or they will be shot down .
this happens almost weekly .

No we should not. We’re the only real military super power left in NATO at the moment. Europe could not match Russia or hell even China. Its made it into a situation where we would have to come pull you out of the fire.

you spend way too much , you could achieve the same results with a lower better costed budget .
i think you spend to much on wankers behind desks . as we do here . way to many high ranking officers that funnily enough always dodge can redundancies.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Parliament impeached the President and pushed through the early election.

So basically, Ukrainians did what you are saying, but for some reason you still continue with saying that it is wrong.

no because they chased him out of the country then got rid of him , he should of been allowed to re-stand in an election

[quote=“snejdarek, post:3570, topic:21032”]
Now that is complete bullshit.
[/quote] is it ? politicians are elected by the people

[TheDivineInfidel]

Well gentlemen, Its almost here

my bank account is locked and loaded i was disappointed with it last year though

[TheDivineInfidel]

i find it interesting that you are fully aware of what your government is like and believe obama is prepared to have false shootings etc set up , 9/11 faked etc to use as false flags to get the governments way but when it comes to russia has not ever crossed your mind you may have fallen for the same tricks you are so against in other area’s ?

That it could be highly possible that indeed MH370 was taken by the US and then prepared over the new months to be remotely flown over ukrane and blown up to false flag russia and build up hate for russia and this cold war attitude so that the american people and the worlds people would support the US’s actions against russia ?

now as absurd as that may seem . is it any more absurd than flying planes into the twin towers , pentagon etc . and killing 3000 of your own citizens just so you can invade the middle east and get a fuck load of cheap oil ?

[TheDivineInfidel]

skip to 1:05

another good speech

[snejdarek]

no because they chased him out of the country then got rid of him , he should of been allowed to re-stand in an election

Well he coul have stayed and be tried for his part in the shooting of 100 protesters. He made his choice.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Well he coul have stayed and be tried for his part in the shooting of 100 protesters. He made his choice.

absolutely . my point is though that we cant pick and choose at the values of democracy and keep letting the people shouting loudest get their way .

things should be done in a proper and civil manner not like it was in Ukraine

[snejdarek]

things should be done in a proper and civil manner not like it was in Ukraine

Well the decision was taken by parliament, not by people shouting, whether you like it or not. The protests surely weighed on the process, but it was a decision by elected parliament none the less. I understand it is a strange prospect in a country where a queen cannot be deposed and where whatever comes out of her vagina is destined to rule the country, but impeachment is actually a process common to most world democracies.

Ukraine’s parliament votes to oust president; former prime minister is freed...

On another matter. According to German authorities there are about 300 Islamic Extremists that are considered to pose danger of imminent terrorist attack. However the authorities don’t have any evidence to try them yet, as well as they don’t have enough manpower to keep an eye on these people.

I wonder what is the number in UK.