in the thousands i would suspect . funny enough they were talking about this on the radio the other day and there was an expert on their talking about MI5 and the new powers they want (and are getting ) anyway he said that MI5 (our homeland intelligence agency ) only has the resources to have 40 if i remember correctly individuals under 24/7 surveillance at any one time which to me is a big issue .
not sure how many they can watch in the US but i would imagine it would surprise you how small a number it would be compared to what you would estimate .
I prefer to hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
But I understand that for a person who puts his life into the ever present big brother behind camera system and immediate police response trust in Moscow’s goodwill comes naturally.
Well i would think this would be more a of a land war seeing how Russia really doesn’t have a navy when comparing to us.
Not to mention NATOs military is far more experienced than Russia s. Which would give us a huge advantage in a war. Lets also throw in how much better equipped our infantry is than Russia. They are starting to catch up there but if war were to break out now we would have a big edge in that aspect too.
Not really. I was using that as an example of how Russia would love nothing more than to seize Europe.
Hmm i’m not sure what you were taught in school but i was taught that the cold war didn’t end till the late 80s early 90s.
They didn’t want nuclear war but they wanted as you say to kick the ten shades of shit out of each or something like that. Thats why the top generals hated Kennedy so much because he didn’t invade Cuba and avoided a war with Russia.
I take it you didn’t read the part about China building islands in the south China sea to build military bases and basically take the area. But of course a plane that’s not armed flying in international water is totally the same as a jet or a bomber flying into another country’s air space.
Do you have any hard evidence to support this? It takes a lot to get me to believe a conspiracy theory. I spent year studying 9/11 before i started to think hey the official story seems a little off.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if my government did something like that how ever you would have to provide me with some evidence.
yes yes . but i would imagine your first move would be to try and put a carrier in the black sea . which could end badly as i would gladly put everything i own on them throwing everything at sinking a US super carrier .
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Not to mention NATOs military is far more experienced than Russia s. Which would give us a huge advantage in a war. Lets also throw in how much better equipped our infantry is than Russia. They are starting to catch up there but if war were to break out now we would have a big edge in that aspect too
[/quote] one on one yes totally but russia would be able to field far greater numbers quicker so the first strikes would be in russia’s favour .
the rest of the war would highly depend on how many nations would actually back us . the UK , US would be givens if either of us went in the other would follow no question . as for the rest of NATO i wouldnt be surprised if many turned their backs on the agreements of NATO as they do already on spending .
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Not really. I was using that as an example of how Russia would love nothing more than to seize Europe.
[/quote] not todays era no . they simply could afford to first off . they just want to keep their bordering nations pro-russian and almost puppet like .
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Hmm i’m not sure what you were taught in school but i was taught that the cold war didn’t end till the late 80s early 90s.
[/quote] indeed but the majority of it was as i said bluffing .
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They didn’t want nuclear war but they wanted as you say to kick the ten shades of shit out of each or something like that. Thats why the top generals hated Kennedy so much because he didn’t invade Cuba and avoided a war with Russia.
[/quote] proxy wars was where it was at .
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international water is totally the same as a jet or a bomber flying into another country’s air space.
[/quote] i take it you dont actually read the articles of russian planes be escorted away nearly every single one is in international airspace .
the closest one was a russian nuclear super sonic bomber carrying out a dumby nuclear strike on the UK . came it at an attack angle but turned away 90 second before entering british airspace
its quite important that you understand none of these events happen in our actual airspace all happen just outside . our airforces launch before you enter the airspace and turn them back BEFORE they can enter .
"Our correspondent said it was part of a trend which had seen Russian aircraft flying close to UK airspace, and there had also been similar incidents in Europe."
what they do is not illegal in anyway it would be a much much larger diplomatic incident if they were to actually enter
ohh and they’re all different incidents , check the dates . they just seem to always use the same picture
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Do you have any hard evidence to support this? It takes a lot to get me to believe a conspiracy theory. I spent year studying 9/11 before i started to think hey the official story seems a little off.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if my government did something like that how ever you would have to provide me with some evidence.
[/quote] i cant say ive studied it but does it not seem strange to you that months before a plane just vansishes out of thin air . not a single radar picks it up it one of the most tense regions in the world not far from a major us base which would have radar . then all of a sudden the same company loses a jet over Ukraine.
then ask yourself who would gain the most from the plane going down . so its a interesting thought .
If you’ve thought of that there’s no doubt a general with 30-40 plus years of militarily experience has thought of that. You make it sound like U.S generals have the minds of a three year old.
But as you’ve said many times numbers are irrelevant in modern war. Iraq had a 4 million man army but that was toppled by a much smaller coalition force.
Doubt it. That would be a threat extremely close to home for them. Our failure would mean they’re fucked.
Why can they not afford that? According to your earlier posts Russia’s economy is booming and the sanctions haven’t done shit.
You’re missing the point. The military mainly the generals at the time very much wanted to go to war with each other.
Okay so you think that’s the same thing as an unarmed plane flying in international air space not even approaching Chinese air space? No its not. The plane was simply flying en route to another U.S base and they said they were going to shoot it down because it flew near their artificial islands they’re building.
Okay what ever. You always laugh off my conspiracy talk so i’ll just laugh off yours.
The separatists thinking it was a Ukrainian plane shot it down. The whole incident really hasn’t made Russia look bad with the majority of the evidence point at Ukraine weather it was the rebels or the government.
not at all its the clearest of approaches and if the US wanted to strike early deep into russia they would have to do it . no other option , just carries huge risk . but if the US pulled it off it would be bad news for russia .
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But as you’ve said many times numbers are irrelevant in modern war. Iraq had a 4 million man army but that was toppled by a much smaller coalition force.
[/quote] indeed they are but russia would be the defender here as its on their doorstep . as for iraq their military was large but lacked modern kit . russia has a large well trained and for a large and growing chunk of it , well equipped .
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Doubt it. That would be a threat extremely close to home for them. Our failure would mean they’re fucked.
[/quote] that depends entirely on the situation of the war doesnt it ? if russia is steam rolling europe then you would be right but at present there isnt any evidence to support that claim and not a single high ranking military official or leader that believes thats even a possibility . because if they did the US would be deploying a few more than a couple of hundred troops and a handful of jets . as they would do fuck all to stop a full blown invasion and are nothing more than to look good .
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Why can they not afford that? According to your earlier posts Russia’s economy is booming and the sanctions haven’t done shit.
[/quote] it costs alot of money to take over a country its not quite just role in and hey its mine now .
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You’re missing the point. The military mainly the generals at the time very much wanted to go to war with each other.
[/quote] source for that please
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Okay so you think that’s the same thing as an unarmed plane flying in international air space not even approaching Chinese air space? No its not. The plane was simply flying en route to another U.S base and they said they were going to shoot it down because it flew near their artificial islands they’re building
[/quote] ill state it again how would you expect the US to react to a chinese spy plane clost to US airspace or near a US fleet ?
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Okay what ever. You always laugh off my conspiracy talk so i’ll just laugh off yours.
[/quote] didnt relate to the quote ???
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The separatists thinking it was a Ukrainian plane shot it down. The whole incident really hasn’t made Russia look bad with the majority of the evidence point at Ukraine weather it was the rebels or the government.
[/quote] its built up a lot of hate for russia has it not . you show a clear dislike of russia yet have most likely never met a russian and never been to russia .
americans seem to still have this cold war mentality
Again if you a solider found sending a carrier into the black sea too risky then im certain a general with decades of military experience would too. I’m sure you know a lot about strategy how ever your knowledge is no where near general level.
A Russian invasion was a very serious threat during the cold war yet we had surprisingly few men stationed over there.
1 it was no where near a Chinese fleet or even really close to China for that matter. We have many allied countries near and in that region. Australia, Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines. You’re extremely biased towards Russia and China for that matter.
Why should Russia be flying bombers near the U.S or the U.K? Do they have allies in that region? Bases perhaps? No they just want to be dicks.
You still haven’t addressed that fucking China is building fucking building islands in international waters.
How does it not? You’re going on how it was really the baby eating murderous U.S who shot down that passenger airplane. Even though all evidence points towards the “rebels” or Ukrainians.
What? Hate for Russia? Can you read? I said very clearly i think it was the Ukrainians who did it. Weather it was the rebels or government.
Oh yes i forgot. You’re the man who’s been everywhere and forms opinions about entire countries based off a few people. I have nothing against Russian people except when they show up with high pings on games and are pricks. You can’t seem to separate me bashing their government and me bashing the people.
Maybe because the cold war really wasn’t that long ago? Add to the fact that Russia the U.S have been getting into it a lot lately. I don’t know why you take Russia’s side over NATO’s in every debate we have.
Also one more thing about the “carrier killer missile” Until i see the thing sink a fucking ship im going to question its existence. China has said they’re building a fucking death star before so you really can’t trust them when they say they have an ultimate super weapon that will bring us to our knees.
there is NO other way an experienced general however would have the knowledge of how to pull it off given enough time to plan . its just one of them risks you have to take in a war that if you fuck up could cost you the war .
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A Russian invasion was a very serious threat during the cold war yet we had surprisingly few men stationed over there.
[/quote] you had more than you have now but also thats because the armies of europe were much much much more capable on their own . i think we had an army of about 400,000 as did france , germany give or take . but now its very different . the US would have to supply the bulk of the force now .
where as before they wouldnt of needed too .
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1 it was no where near a Chinese fleet or even really close to China for that matter. We have many allied countries near and in that region. Australia, Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines. You’re extremely biased towards Russia and China for that matter.
[/quote] again warriant you have showed that you only read headlines .
the chineese navy was in the bay of the island and that was who told the US plane to move away at no point do they actually say they will shoot down the US plane .
watch the video on the link it has the full conversation between the chineese and americans .
both sides acted respectively and how they should . its just a classic media . blowing it out of proportion .
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You still haven’t addressed that fucking China is building fucking building islands in international waters.
[/quote] i dont understand the full arguments of both sides so i dont have an opinion .
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Why should Russia be flying bombers near the U.S or the U.K? Do they have allies in that region? Bases perhaps? No they just want to be dicks.
[/quote] patrols . and yes to be dicks as well but actually our military doesnt mind if anything it helps us as it provides us good experience on how quickly we react . the russian planes are normally unarmed . its the media that make it seem worse than it is .
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How does it not? You’re going on how it was really the baby eating murderous U.S who shot down that passenger airplane. Even though all evidence points towards the “rebels” or Ukrainians.
[/quote] you quoted me on me stating the articles i posted about the russian bombers being outside of UK airspace then gave it a response about MH17 so it didnt relate to my comment .
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How does it not? You’re going on how it was really the baby eating murderous U.S who shot down that passenger airplane. Even though all evidence points towards the “rebels” or Ukrainians.
[/quote] inever said i agreed with the conspiracy theory did i , i said it was an interesting theory that was no less believable than your one of 9/11 .
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What? Hate for Russia? Can you read? I said very clearly i think it was the Ukrainians who did it. Weather it was the rebels or government.
[/quote] overall , you never actually stop to think of both sides you seem to just jump on "russia is the bad guy we are the good guys " and end of .
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Oh yes i forgot. You’re the man who’s been everywhere and forms opinions about entire countries based off a few people. I have nothing against Russian people except when they show up with high pings on games and are pricks. You can’t seem to separate me bashing their government and me bashing the people.
[/quote] never been to russia . met a few russians on holidays etc anf thought they were rude cunts to put in straight but it doesnt mean they’re all hell bent of taking europe like the US seems to believe.
i respect russia as unlike our own governments they stick up for their interests to the bitter end and support their people . i wish my government had half the balls their government has.
i dont agree with their ideals and interests but i respect their right to stick up for them . maybe you should do the same .
neither was WW2 but it doesnt mean i hate all germans . grow up . its not the soviet union anymore .
i hardly doubt it would bring you too your knees . although i would love for yopu too source me a link to this "death star "
number plates are still on . marking are generally quite small so hard to tell from the photo’s although bear in mind they have just begun "surprise " military drills involving 12,000 men .
there is at current no reason for them to get anymore involved in the conflict . if the separatists were losing then , this would be cause for concern but there not so nothing new really .
just the russians trying to show off in retaliation to the NATO drills in Scandinavia
ooohh i take that back some are on some are not . the smerchs are not but the truck with the tank on back has its number plate still on.
although if they was planning such an blatant invasion why bother taking off the marking , crimea was special forces so its sort understandable but whats the point if your going full strength
Because Russian heavy machinery has been in Ukraine for months. That is why the Ukrainian army could not gain any ground. Taking markings off allows them to continue pretending that the guns the local militia has are seized from Ukrainian army and not delivered from Russia.
Taking plates off is a question of two minutes. Painting markings over is a question of hours, if not all day waiting for the color to dry up.
nice try though
